ps sorry for the mis-spelling...blame the typist!
Posts by gdt
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26Will the shunning began?
by Mystery ini fade over 20 years ago.
moved 800 miles from my jw family.
i see them about once a year.
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Will the shunning began?
by Mystery ini fade over 20 years ago.
moved 800 miles from my jw family.
i see them about once a year.
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gdt
It was so nice to have a reply from you, and to know a little more of the background of your life too. As to the major point you mention, where have you read the the 'nice, kind etc etc' person who we see every day is going to be killed by God? The simplest answer is to let the Judge worry about that, and guess what? That Judge is not me, not you, not any of the brothers, not the Society, the only words we have from the creator are in Scripture, and even that is subject to various understandings, as you know.
I think of several things. There is going to time when the Judhe acts. It could be toady, tomorrow, ages away, and who knows? Only the Father. In the meantime, for all of us 'be awake', but 'stop judging, lest we be judged'. I also think of the verses in Thessalonions speaking about the two classes whom Jesus will turn his attention to, 1stly the ones who do not know, 2ndly, the ones who do not obey....
So who are those? Not your or my business, is it. If we read how God feels, He doesn't want any to be destroyed, but wants all to attain to repentance. If we don't, what next? In other words, if we are kind, nice, humble, sorry for any wrongs, at least he should have hope. true?
Howabout just read Hosea chapter 11, and Jonah chapt 4, and see how you would answer that major question you mentioned to me........and would you be good enough to share your thoughts please?
It was really nice to hear from you, it seems you are worrying too much about matters you shouldn't be, I do the same, so it's the pot calling the kettle black here! But my wife and I are just doing our best to help people, not be their judge. We were df'd years ago after an awful time in my life, but it is not a cloud over us, been reinstated for 18 yrs, there would no doubt be a few still critical, as we hurt a few family members by our wrongdoing at the time, but ---- those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.....true?
Take care and thank you,
gdt geoff.
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Will the shunning began?
by Mystery ini fade over 20 years ago.
moved 800 miles from my jw family.
i see them about once a year.
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gdt
hello there 'mystery'.....wonderful news.......just some more pleasures and pains, but isn't that life? anyway, i just felt that your question deserved more than outright bitterness or almost hatefulness about the horrible, disgusting, evil, hurtful, unloving witnesses....please don't judge jesus by judas.
when even the saviour himself could not get a bunch of decent people around him sometimes, what hope is there for anyone today? I am a witness, have been a long time, could write this letter forever telling you of the nice, kind, helpful, endearing, loving, generous, kind etc etc spirited peope and actions of so many beautiful people in 'the truth' trying so hard to be good. surely this includes your family or at least some of them!
and (my tuppence worth) if after so many years you have been away , please don't think today's responsible brothers are there to hurt or punish you or your family.
i would like to suggest, rather than ignore your family or the brothers, just be plain truthful, just say you have tried hard, you are going to be there for your kids, you feel like the need for a 'good samaritan', is there any around? or something like that. you may well be surprised. i do trust that if you decide to go that direction, you are treated with respect and kindness, not threats or any hurtful words to anyone.
please let me know what happens, i have faith in the organization/brothers doing most things right and kind, even though it does not seem many others do.
kind regards, gdt. geoff.
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It's payback time !! (For all you blondes out there).
by hubert ini get a lot of blonde jokes.
but this is the first one i got that is the opposite response of what you expect.
so this is for you blondes.
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gdt
kls, you seem very nice.....a blonde joke 'in reverse'...got it? who was smarter than the lawyer??
Cheers. gdt
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I got backmy sick son,,, just to lose the rest ofmy family
by wildfire ini am so upset ,,its hard to even write this out...but i know i must.....someof you know of my past...coming from a very difficult marriage with a so--called annointed one.. who made my life and the lives of my 5 children.
a living hell.....i only have one daughter in the borg...but even tho i am dis associated she still talks to me....i moved to texas to be near my daughter and my grand kids...but now i am being ostrasized for helping my schizophrenic son (24),,who couldnt make it on his own in north dakota...... and my son almost didnt make it to texas as he was thrown off the bus for smoking and abandoned... i went on a mission to find him.....by backtracking and giving out flyers of his picture with my phone ..number on it.
as it happened someone recognized him and i got him back....safe but not sound..... so now my daughters and their boyfriends have disowned me for taking him in....why i am not really sure....but with everyday mydepression gets worse....i have been hospitalized for attempted suicide many times...and theythink i am making up this shit..... just recently i was hospitalized ,,,for another suicide attempt... i think iwill make the next one stick...my brother killed himself at 38,,, no one knew the horrible secrets in his life and the family didnt want to know......now hes gone...leavingbehind 3 daughters and 2 grand daughters.. do they even know the pain and torments i have endured for soo long being in a cult...my 21 yr old daugher willlnever forgive me for what i did toher... sheis out now... but her sister is still in and i know its tearing her apart....my 24 yr old son is schizophrenic and may never be normal....but i am taking care of him as the rest ofthe family have abandoned him to my care....ha i cant even take care of me...for christs sake... for those of you i met at dallas in may,,,you know me right could i really be capable of being so selfish...so uncaring......i need your prayers and strength to get me thru this now.... there were so many things i couldnt do,, when my kids were being abused... i had to be submissive to that fucking jerk...he hurt me ,,, the borg hurt me....everyone gets hurt..... but this may be the straw that broke the camels back....words can and do hurt ,,, i can only say sorry to them so much.....but their dad willnever do that..he willnever make there hurt go away..... i just need ed to be heard as my daughters do not want me to talk to them....and it is breaking my heart in two so imust get my book done..before i am gone for good.....shalom my dear friends
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gdt
wildfire, geoff again. i just read your biography (to try and see where you live actually), and i notice you write intense poetry. guess what? so does my son i was telling you about, he'd love to be a journalist or writer and has quite a library of poems, but my son , whilst not autistic or obviously backward, may have 'aspergers syndrome' as he has trouble coordinating as in trying to play tennis, but if you could help him in any way you know how i would feel as a silly old father... been to all the specialists etc, somehow think plain down to earth humans are better?????
cheers, geoff.
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I got backmy sick son,,, just to lose the rest ofmy family
by wildfire ini am so upset ,,its hard to even write this out...but i know i must.....someof you know of my past...coming from a very difficult marriage with a so--called annointed one.. who made my life and the lives of my 5 children.
a living hell.....i only have one daughter in the borg...but even tho i am dis associated she still talks to me....i moved to texas to be near my daughter and my grand kids...but now i am being ostrasized for helping my schizophrenic son (24),,who couldnt make it on his own in north dakota...... and my son almost didnt make it to texas as he was thrown off the bus for smoking and abandoned... i went on a mission to find him.....by backtracking and giving out flyers of his picture with my phone ..number on it.
as it happened someone recognized him and i got him back....safe but not sound..... so now my daughters and their boyfriends have disowned me for taking him in....why i am not really sure....but with everyday mydepression gets worse....i have been hospitalized for attempted suicide many times...and theythink i am making up this shit..... just recently i was hospitalized ,,,for another suicide attempt... i think iwill make the next one stick...my brother killed himself at 38,,, no one knew the horrible secrets in his life and the family didnt want to know......now hes gone...leavingbehind 3 daughters and 2 grand daughters.. do they even know the pain and torments i have endured for soo long being in a cult...my 21 yr old daugher willlnever forgive me for what i did toher... sheis out now... but her sister is still in and i know its tearing her apart....my 24 yr old son is schizophrenic and may never be normal....but i am taking care of him as the rest ofthe family have abandoned him to my care....ha i cant even take care of me...for christs sake... for those of you i met at dallas in may,,,you know me right could i really be capable of being so selfish...so uncaring......i need your prayers and strength to get me thru this now.... there were so many things i couldnt do,, when my kids were being abused... i had to be submissive to that fucking jerk...he hurt me ,,, the borg hurt me....everyone gets hurt..... but this may be the straw that broke the camels back....words can and do hurt ,,, i can only say sorry to them so much.....but their dad willnever do that..he willnever make there hurt go away..... i just need ed to be heard as my daughters do not want me to talk to them....and it is breaking my heart in two so imust get my book done..before i am gone for good.....shalom my dear friends
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kls, special thanks to you, is there anyone living nearby wildfire who could be with her? just a thought. if we weren't in Oz, my wife and i would drop in a date cake or something and try to be helpful if we could.
and again, thank you, i've got 66 years on this earth coming up, some great, some good, some lousy times! take care,
geoff.
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I got backmy sick son,,, just to lose the rest ofmy family
by wildfire ini am so upset ,,its hard to even write this out...but i know i must.....someof you know of my past...coming from a very difficult marriage with a so--called annointed one.. who made my life and the lives of my 5 children.
a living hell.....i only have one daughter in the borg...but even tho i am dis associated she still talks to me....i moved to texas to be near my daughter and my grand kids...but now i am being ostrasized for helping my schizophrenic son (24),,who couldnt make it on his own in north dakota...... and my son almost didnt make it to texas as he was thrown off the bus for smoking and abandoned... i went on a mission to find him.....by backtracking and giving out flyers of his picture with my phone ..number on it.
as it happened someone recognized him and i got him back....safe but not sound..... so now my daughters and their boyfriends have disowned me for taking him in....why i am not really sure....but with everyday mydepression gets worse....i have been hospitalized for attempted suicide many times...and theythink i am making up this shit..... just recently i was hospitalized ,,,for another suicide attempt... i think iwill make the next one stick...my brother killed himself at 38,,, no one knew the horrible secrets in his life and the family didnt want to know......now hes gone...leavingbehind 3 daughters and 2 grand daughters.. do they even know the pain and torments i have endured for soo long being in a cult...my 21 yr old daugher willlnever forgive me for what i did toher... sheis out now... but her sister is still in and i know its tearing her apart....my 24 yr old son is schizophrenic and may never be normal....but i am taking care of him as the rest ofthe family have abandoned him to my care....ha i cant even take care of me...for christs sake... for those of you i met at dallas in may,,,you know me right could i really be capable of being so selfish...so uncaring......i need your prayers and strength to get me thru this now.... there were so many things i couldnt do,, when my kids were being abused... i had to be submissive to that fucking jerk...he hurt me ,,, the borg hurt me....everyone gets hurt..... but this may be the straw that broke the camels back....words can and do hurt ,,, i can only say sorry to them so much.....but their dad willnever do that..he willnever make there hurt go away..... i just need ed to be heard as my daughters do not want me to talk to them....and it is breaking my heart in two so imust get my book done..before i am gone for good.....shalom my dear friends
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wildfire, hello there. you have had so many encouraging thoughts from people who have been hurt, would you mind if i just suggested something? somewhere near you would surely be a park or garden, why not just go there and sit quietly down and meditate, no radios, no people, just yourself. rain, hail, or sunshine. you may like to contemplate on what you see around you- sky, clouds, birds, flowers, grass, trees, everything living in its own way, even the little birds flying around are such a marvel how so tiny a brain works, the small creatures in the river or pond, don't think of humans....we're the worst!!. wildfire, what I am trying to ask you to do, is what has helped me to handle life's problems too, we all have much we'd like to forget sometimes caused by us, but mostly others or outside issues. my son is now 26, seems to be settling down better, was 6 when he saw his mum horribly killed by a drunk driver, (after the memorial in front of half the congregation) he played around with drugs and alcohol at school, got into strife, crossed borders of correct behaviour, spent a year in prison, got a huge amount of family criticism from brothers/ sister and step brothers and sister, i cannot have him in my home or property to live because of his errors.......and on and on. i wasn't going to tell you my position, but you sound so down, please though, say a word of prayer to jehovah god for me too as well as for yourself, because deep down i still believe that he is, and that he does care for us (hard to see sometimes eh?)
and may i close in asking you to accept the expressions of care from so many on this board, i sort of think we all would like to have the power to fix things, as only Christ has, and we really shouldn't be telling god what to do, should we?
my sincerest thoughts,
gdt (geoff)
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can't get close
by karategirl inhaving been taught that dating is only when you are ready for a marriage mate and then you get married forever, i was so quick to commit.
almost got married after 6 months to the first boyfriend i ever had when i was 18, a jw of course.
then i saw the light and didn't do it.
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well karate kid... not sure if i could contribute any thing much to you, my own kids sound much like you, as a marriage celebrant (and justice of the peace) and still a witness, i do see and listen to lots like yourself. Being honest, your own happiness is not going to be enhanced by 'flings' or men just using you, and with your upbringing, you know the principles for right and wrong, and whether we like it or not the bible principles usually help, not hinder. Just go calm, try to be nice, bury the lust for a while..!!) ok? and keep an open mind, and one day someone will hopefully come along that will want to share your life. please do your best to stick to the truth you have learned, and don't worry about all the bad examples of who did what to who, just be yourself . May life give you many reasons to smile and be happy...an old Indian saying I got from Knots Berry Farm, years ago. Take care, gdt geoff.
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Already it starts.
by Fleur inmy grandmother hasn't even been put to rest yet and already, my mother starts with "you know that grandma's greatest wish was for you to get reinstated.".
then, one of my siblings tells me that another of my siblings not only said she wouldn't come to grandma's memorial if i went but also that sibling who called me should not still be talking to me; even though i called her to tell her that grandma died.. i am facing the fact that my family may not even give me details of the memorial directly because they won't want me to go.
i don't know if i want to go to another funeral that is really just a commercial for the wts instead of talking about the person who is gone at all.
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gdt
dear fleur,
it is distressing that some of your family have taken such a hard judgmental line, as if they are the ultimate judges of anyone's life. please know that many many witnesses (self included) feel for you, please don't hold back from attending your grandma's memorial, or whatever is arranged. you will always feel (i think) happier that you showed respect to your grandmum. who cares if some of the family prove unkind? can i tell you, we have just had one of the finest funerals (as if they ever could be) for a young man not in the truth, not baptized, and out of respect for the living mum dad and family in the truth, the local elders had the memorial in the kingdom hall, (in 'olden' times they would not have done so!!) and the talk was absolutely beautiful, kind, feeling, about the life of the young man, and i just wanted to say, please, keep the memories of your grandmum and her love of jehovah god and jesus in your own mind no matter what. my thoughts are with you, gdt geoff.
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"Friendship with the world"
by Schizm inadulteresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with god?
whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of god.--james 4:4. .
for you who may still believe in the the bible, how do you understand the above text?
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gdt
After reading all the posts, the only wise words seem to be: "God gave us two ears, and one mouth.", or in other words "be swift about hearing, slow about speaking".Cheers, gdt.