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  9/11 Pentagon video released, shows explosion and no plane

  by What-A-Coincidence in

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  as shown on cnn: no plane on video from hotelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atj5sute0oq.

  no big plane aa77 on pentagon videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4fjdamiffi.

  removing evidence and witnesses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjejip_47tq.

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  What is obvious, is that the government has lied and covered up information that would answer many (as yet) unanswered questions. The Vietman war was preceded by lies and cover up as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident
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  Kenny Drew On Modern Black American Popular Music.

  by hillary_step in

  1. social
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  kenny drew jnr.

  is the son of the great jazz pianist, now deceased.

  his own accomplishments are rich and varied, playing with some of the greatest names in modern jazz and also entering the world of the classical piano with the same success that he has met in the jazz world.. he published a stinging criticism of the 'rap' music idiom, taking bold side-swipes at the true culprits, the record companies on his web site.

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  H-Step,
  
  :: Yes, you confirm my point illustrated with the example that you introduced of Punk music, which as you know also started on small labels but which were quickly taken over by the industry and turned into cash. It has been the modus operandi of the industry to try to eat up smaller labels the past couple of decades. Strangely enough this has caused many, including many smaller companies in the Rap industry to copy their modus.
  
  :: As I mentioned and you confirm, it has been the industry the past couple of decades that has tilled the soil and planted - the recording industry was a very different beast in the 60's and 70's.
  
  Not exactly. I believe you were trying to make the point that rap "is a manufactured cultural identity".
  And while "Jazz, folk, blues and early rock" were birthed by "small labels made up of believers" who "started the ball rolling", rap was not. Rather, you imply that it was basically created outright by the corporate labels strictly as a product to sell. In reality the history of rap is nearly identical to that of the other genres you mentioned.
  
  As far as the industry eating up smaller labels, it's been going on a lot longer than the past couple decades. It goes back at least 50 years to RCA buying Elvis from Sam Phillips' Sun Records. 'Same as it ever was'.
  
  :: It is amazing to me that Rap is seriously being compared to the emergence of the Blues. I am not foolish enough to believe that all Rap lacks creativity and that all rap is 'gangsta rap', but a cursory glance at the aims and ideals of both would put that comparison into a more realistic framework.
  
  As someone who is obviously knowledgeable about the history of popular music, I'm sure you're aware that many of the most popular early blues records were little more than smutty novelties. I dont need to explain to you what "that sweet jelly roll", "crawling king snake", "backdoor man", "hoochie-coochie man", or "sixty-minute man" mean, do I? ;)
  
  If you only have the patience to listen to one example of rap music, check out The Roots. They are both 'black' AND 'popular' musicians who make some great records. The drummer ?uestlove is one of the finest in any genre today.
  
  Peace, Love, & Understanding, Matt
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  Kenny Drew On Modern Black American Popular Music.

  by hillary_step in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  kenny drew jnr.

  is the son of the great jazz pianist, now deceased.

  his own accomplishments are rich and varied, playing with some of the greatest names in modern jazz and also entering the world of the classical piano with the same success that he has met in the jazz world.. he published a stinging criticism of the 'rap' music idiom, taking bold side-swipes at the true culprits, the record companies on his web site.

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  H-Dogg,
  
  :: To suggest that you can or could identify a jazz musician by a beret and reefer is ridiculous, where do you get this from? I know numerous jazz musicans personally and very few fit or ever fitted this cliche.
  
  Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. No, I personally don't equate Jazz with reefer and berets.
  I was trying to make the point that all new styles of music are initially written off as fads and not considered 'legitimate' music.
  
  Every new genre of music grows out of a 'scene' that carries with it a style, and lifestyle. Rockabilly, Country, Jazz, Blues, Doo-Wop, Reggae, Punk, New Wave. None of these were just about the music, they all had a style and attitude that went with them. But that doesn't make them any less valid as music. All of them were started by people trying to express themselves with whatever tools and abilities they had. Isn't that what makes REAL music? That's the same spirit that hip-hop was born out of. Do yourself a favor and read about the origins of rap and the B-Boy scene in New York. There's alot more to it than the pimp cups, ho's, and 20" rims that you mostly see today.
  
  It's a mistake to think that 'rap is not about music, it is about lifestyle', just because many of the most popular performers appear that way. Look at this way: Who's more popular, Kenny Drew or Kenny G?
  Should all of Jazz music past to present be judged by the recordings of Mr. G and his smooth jazz brethren, just because they're the most popular? Wouldn't you suggest to someone that they dig a little deeper before passing judgement?
  
  :: Not true where it comes to Jazz, folk, blues and early rock. Small labels made up of believers started the ball rolling, then corporations, most of whom in the 50's, 60's and 70's had little creative input, leaving this to the performers, established the recording empires. In the past two decades things have changed dramatically. An argument can be made that it only is in this modern corporate soil, focused on nothing but money, that 'plants' like Rap can grow.
  
  Absolutely untrue. All early rap was also put out on small labels run by fans of the music. It wasn't until the late 80's when it was already established, that the corporate labels caught on started pushing it hard.
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  Kenny Drew On Modern Black American Popular Music.

  by hillary_step in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  kenny drew jnr.

  is the son of the great jazz pianist, now deceased.

  his own accomplishments are rich and varied, playing with some of the greatest names in modern jazz and also entering the world of the classical piano with the same success that he has met in the jazz world.. he published a stinging criticism of the 'rap' music idiom, taking bold side-swipes at the true culprits, the record companies on his web site.

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  H-Step,
  
  :: The innovators, and of course even rap, hip-hop, whatever you call it had its early innovators, but as money and corporations enter the fray they rely on the tried and tested ignorance of the young to feed the coffers. That is why I state that rap is not music, it is a style.
  
  The same was said about every other musical genre of the last century. Rock-n-Roll was just a fad, just a buch of hoodlums with pompadours and switchblades. Jazz was about smoking reefer, wearing berets, and 'like talkin' crazy man!'. Punk rock was mainly about safety pins, mohawks and being shocking. All of them were eventually accepted, and then exploited by record companies. No different with Hip-Hop.
  
  As far as whether or not it's bringing down the black community, who's to say? I tend to agree with Ms. McDucket, 'When were they ever up?'.
  
  Although I find most of the popular examples of the music offensive on both an artistic and social level, statements like 'Rap Sucks' only come from squares and/or old people. If you don't like it fine. But trying to argue that it's not music and of no value is silly.
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  Kenny Drew On Modern Black American Popular Music.

  by hillary_step in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  kenny drew jnr.

  is the son of the great jazz pianist, now deceased.

  his own accomplishments are rich and varied, playing with some of the greatest names in modern jazz and also entering the world of the classical piano with the same success that he has met in the jazz world.. he published a stinging criticism of the 'rap' music idiom, taking bold side-swipes at the true culprits, the record companies on his web site.

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  :: Or the social consciousness and protest messages in the lyrics of Gil Scott-Heron.....?
  
  :: Way back when, when I first started studying music I was told that music had to consist of three elements: melody, harmony and rhythm. Rap music has basically discarded the first two elements and is left with nothing but rhythm.
  
  Hmmmm.... I don't recall Gil Scott-Heron having a lot of melody and harmony.
  
  :: I propose a nationwide boycott of rap music; perhaps by picketing in front of record company offices and major record store chains.
  
  While I'm sure this suggestion is somewhat tongue in cheek, it's completely idiotic. There is plenty
  of very intelligent 'Rap' (most informed musicians know it as Hip-Hop) music out there. I propose Mr. Drew
  dig a little deeper than 50 Cent before he broadly proclaims that all 'rap sucks'.
  
  While he is quick to blame the artists and record companies, he doesn't factor in the people that actually
  buy this stuff, the 'black community'? Does he feel that they are not smart enough to make their own
  decisions? Don't they share much of the blame for buying (and buying into) this type of music and lifestyle?
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  crisis of conscience

  by cyrus in

  1. jw
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  hi all ,got my copy today read 90 pages already ,so far very interesting and an eye opener rutherford comes across as a very dishonest man and a dictator.

  knorr comes across as very insecure.anyway back to it .have fun and i will let you know as i read more .dan

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  I agree that many of Ray's actions seemed to be cowardly and self-serving. He clearly states that he would have quietly remained a Witness had they not came after him. And while CoC is without a doubt the most influential ex-JW book, it's doubtful that we would have ever heard any of this inside information if the WTBTS hadn't initiated their slander campaign against Franz. Only when HIS good name was being dragged through the mud, did he find it necessary to write the book. Again, the importance and impact of CoC is enormous among exjw's. But, to me a lot of the opinions (esp. Terry's)about Franz' character on this thread ring true.
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  What My Parents Gave Me...

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear friends,.

  i guess you could call me an orphan.

  i have been on my own for some time now and have become the next generation.

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  My Mom taught me to stand up for myself (and others), and call 'bullshit' when I see it. She also encouraged all my creative endeavors growing up. Now that she's no longer a Witness, I know she wishes she had done things differently. But I know she always did what she thought was right at the time. In recent years, she's been an example to me that it's never too late to change your mind, and how you view the world. Her thirst for knowledge and new ideas, is an inspriration to me. I also need to thank her for good genes. At 37, I still occasionally get carded for cigarettes. Thanks Mom, I love you, and Happy New Year!
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  Learning Guitar - What is a good beginner guitar - (sell me yours?)

  by confusedjw in

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  i've been learning to play for the last 3 weeks and would like to buy myself an acoustical guitar.

  i've borrowed two, one is a wonderful yamaha and the other is a fender made in china, plywood and it sounds not so good.

  those of you who have gone through this - what would you recommend to me if i were your favorite poster?.

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  Learning Guitar - What is a good beginner guitar - (sell me yours?)

  by confusedjw in

  1. social
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  i've been learning to play for the last 3 weeks and would like to buy myself an acoustical guitar.

  i've borrowed two, one is a wonderful yamaha and the other is a fender made in china, plywood and it sounds not so good.

  those of you who have gone through this - what would you recommend to me if i were your favorite poster?.

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  I wouldn't spend less than $300 for an acoustic. Anything cheaper is almost always a waste of money. Hard to play, and won't last long. Ibanez has always been my favorite for a budget guitar, especially the Artwood series. Very well made and good sound, especially the solid top models. Good luck!
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  No Tag At My Son's School....

  by Why Georgia in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  perhaps some of you have seen this on the news.

  my son's school has gotten national attention because the ban on tag.

  i went to the pto meeting and spoke with the principal.

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  I thought you meant "Tag", that awful smelling body spray that teenage boys use