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dubstepped
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Protesters at today’s assembly on the news
by Tahoe inhttps://www.wgal.com/article/jehovah-s-witness-event-met-with-protestors/22834659 .
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Protesters at today’s assembly on the news
by Tahoe inhttps://www.wgal.com/article/jehovah-s-witness-event-met-with-protestors/22834659 .
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dubstepped
Well, Jehovah's Witnesses do have a history of silencing anyone they can, hiding the little men behind curtains, so what's one reporter. They can certainly turn her away if they want. It doesn't look good given the subject matter, but they are who we thought them to be. It's not exactly shocking. -
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Young people becoming atheist
by Jayk inthis article speaks to me.
it talks about kids who tend to become atheist when they're older if they have parents who "talk the talk but dont walk the walk".
i'm not calling myself a atheist i consider myself more agnostic.
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dubstepped
When you ask someone if they're in a cult and they threaten to never speak to you again if you ever bring up the subject again, they're tipping you off to the fact that they're in a cult.
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Young people becoming atheist
by Jayk inthis article speaks to me.
it talks about kids who tend to become atheist when they're older if they have parents who "talk the talk but dont walk the walk".
i'm not calling myself a atheist i consider myself more agnostic.
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dubstepped
Well, that makes sense. If it wasn't my parents who were hypocrites, it was the cult of JWs. It was learning that I had been told so many lies by the cult, including my parents, that I started looking at the Bible itself. After all, it was the basis for everything I had believed. I soon realized that it wasn't credible either. So indirectly my parents had something to do with it, but the reality is that faith is something you have to manufacture and put onto something else, whether that be your parents, religious ideologies, a book, a particular deity, etc.
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Amazon Prime Same Day Delivery
by Iamallcool inwho delivers same day items?
i am curious.
thanks!.
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dubstepped
On occasion I've had something delivered the same day without paying extra for it. We do live near a hub though. I don't know if I'd ever pay extra for same day. Maybe if it was something for my business and I ran out and couldn't source it locally.
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Is Child Abuse An Issue That You Personally Have Seen In The Organization?
by minimus inas an elder, i saw one child abuse situation involving a man who wanted to be an elder and had i believe 8 children.
he was not in our congregation when this all erupted.
he denied it and moved to another hall and unbelievably, that body of elders wanted to appoint him since they believed his entire family was lying about him.
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dubstepped
Yep. My neighbors, who we moved in next door to and who got us in the damned cult to begin with, were raping their kids. One kid went to jail, the parents died before it came out. It was super messed up. They adopted a kid who was the eventual whistle-blower.
A brother in the congregation had been to jail for molesting kids. A girl I knew in the KH and a relative of his was molested by him. The elders did nothing because the other girls were worldly and didn't count as a second witness. He's still a brother in the congregation. The girl I knew is shunned after being mentally messed up and turning to drugs before getting her life in order. He and the congregation wrecked her life.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses Really Have No Power Over You Unless YOU Let It Happen!
by minimus inshould i go to a judicial committee and perhaps get disfellowshipped?
should i talk to the elders just because they say they want to talk to me?
should i simply disassociate myself and have nothing to do with the organization?.
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dubstepped
Minimus, you're the one that started the thread seemingly having a problem with the decisions of others. I added context and experience. You have your feelings, and I mine. It's cool. -
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Jehovah’s Witnesses Really Have No Power Over You Unless YOU Let It Happen!
by minimus inshould i go to a judicial committee and perhaps get disfellowshipped?
should i talk to the elders just because they say they want to talk to me?
should i simply disassociate myself and have nothing to do with the organization?.
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dubstepped
So you can't argue your own points. I don't have to research someone else's view on it. I did it. I argued my points here. You're still allowed to hold your views, however narrow. That's fine.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses Really Have No Power Over You Unless YOU Let It Happen!
by minimus inshould i go to a judicial committee and perhaps get disfellowshipped?
should i talk to the elders just because they say they want to talk to me?
should i simply disassociate myself and have nothing to do with the organization?.
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dubstepped
Glad to hear it wasn't you Minimus.
As to legal issues, come on man, let's not act like it's legal reasons people are being shunned. It's cult reasons, and they don't need or care about legalities. In fact, courts of law have not pressured them to speak to anyone they shun in cases lost even recently. They have that right regardless of the fact that disassociation happens to also be a legal term, of which there are many. That's a poor argument against disassociation. People don't have to speak to others that they don't wish to by and large.
But hey, like you said, that's you. Now we can just extend the same to everyone and let them be them. I disagree with you completely, but hey, that's just me.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses Really Have No Power Over You Unless YOU Let It Happen!
by minimus inshould i go to a judicial committee and perhaps get disfellowshipped?
should i talk to the elders just because they say they want to talk to me?
should i simply disassociate myself and have nothing to do with the organization?.
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dubstepped
First, for many of us we never had power to give them. They took it when we were kids and held it over us. That's why Angus Stewart referred to it as a "captive organization". You can't give away that which you never had.
Second, you're accepting their options whether you DF, DA, or fade. To say otherwise is to fool yourself to try to feel powerful. The only difference is that for many DA or DF ends playing their game while fading prolongs it. There are considerations to be had for sure. You avoided my question about taking your dad to the meeting for some reason. Was that you?
All of us are still impacted by it on some level or we wouldn't be here (you for 16 long years). We're all accepting their bullshit options if we had people we cared about in or around it. The rest is all puffery.
We chose to DA because of our own circumstances. You don't have to like it. I don't like that anyone would take their relatives to those indoctrination sessions. I don't like lots of things others do, but I respect that they may feel it's the best option for them, because we all have to choose their bullshit options, of which even fading is one.
Other than to virtue signal and feel somehow superior, I don't get the point of these threads. Are you trying to help others in some way to bolster them against the Borg or to feel better about your own path? Or maybe you DAd or were DFd and you think the grass would have been greener had you taken a different course? Some other reason? It seems more divisive than supportive, but maybe you see it differently.