So you can't argue your own points. I don't have to research someone else's view on it. I did it. I argued my points here. You're still allowed to hold your views, however narrow. That's fine.
dubstepped
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Jehovah’s Witnesses Really Have No Power Over You Unless YOU Let It Happen!
by minimus inshould i go to a judicial committee and perhaps get disfellowshipped?
should i talk to the elders just because they say they want to talk to me?
should i simply disassociate myself and have nothing to do with the organization?.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses Really Have No Power Over You Unless YOU Let It Happen!
by minimus inshould i go to a judicial committee and perhaps get disfellowshipped?
should i talk to the elders just because they say they want to talk to me?
should i simply disassociate myself and have nothing to do with the organization?.
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dubstepped
Glad to hear it wasn't you Minimus.
As to legal issues, come on man, let's not act like it's legal reasons people are being shunned. It's cult reasons, and they don't need or care about legalities. In fact, courts of law have not pressured them to speak to anyone they shun in cases lost even recently. They have that right regardless of the fact that disassociation happens to also be a legal term, of which there are many. That's a poor argument against disassociation. People don't have to speak to others that they don't wish to by and large.
But hey, like you said, that's you. Now we can just extend the same to everyone and let them be them. I disagree with you completely, but hey, that's just me.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses Really Have No Power Over You Unless YOU Let It Happen!
by minimus inshould i go to a judicial committee and perhaps get disfellowshipped?
should i talk to the elders just because they say they want to talk to me?
should i simply disassociate myself and have nothing to do with the organization?.
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dubstepped
First, for many of us we never had power to give them. They took it when we were kids and held it over us. That's why Angus Stewart referred to it as a "captive organization". You can't give away that which you never had.
Second, you're accepting their options whether you DF, DA, or fade. To say otherwise is to fool yourself to try to feel powerful. The only difference is that for many DA or DF ends playing their game while fading prolongs it. There are considerations to be had for sure. You avoided my question about taking your dad to the meeting for some reason. Was that you?
All of us are still impacted by it on some level or we wouldn't be here (you for 16 long years). We're all accepting their bullshit options if we had people we cared about in or around it. The rest is all puffery.
We chose to DA because of our own circumstances. You don't have to like it. I don't like that anyone would take their relatives to those indoctrination sessions. I don't like lots of things others do, but I respect that they may feel it's the best option for them, because we all have to choose their bullshit options, of which even fading is one.
Other than to virtue signal and feel somehow superior, I don't get the point of these threads. Are you trying to help others in some way to bolster them against the Borg or to feel better about your own path? Or maybe you DAd or were DFd and you think the grass would have been greener had you taken a different course? Some other reason? It seems more divisive than supportive, but maybe you see it differently.
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What JW habits do you still have?
by Exelder insince leaving the jw's after over 4 decades, i can see exactly what it is and hate everything it stands for.
however, there are still some jw habits and traits that i can't get rid of:.
1. i can't swear in general conversation (i'd have to be really angry).
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dubstepped
I think that the workaholic upbringing, where we were constantly busy with "theocratic activities" and then I pioneered and worked and was a MS and everything just kind of translated into me now working too much and having way too many irons in the fire. I may have been somewhat naturally wired that way I guess, but nobody in my family was so I'm an anomaly. I do have a hard time not being busy though.
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Being cyber stalked by an elder - and how I dealt with it!😉
by stuckinarut2 inah...this is funny!.
my instagram is set to public .
i have nothing to hide.
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dubstepped
Maybe it wasn't a power move then and just an honest slip of the finger. If it was a power move, why remove it? Who knows. It's funny though. I remember that my wife's mom accidentally liked one of her posts on social media months after we had been shunned. It's only normal for people that once cared to wonder how you're doing, but then others are just looking for dirt.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses Really Have No Power Over You Unless YOU Let It Happen!
by minimus inshould i go to a judicial committee and perhaps get disfellowshipped?
should i talk to the elders just because they say they want to talk to me?
should i simply disassociate myself and have nothing to do with the organization?.
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dubstepped
Faders play by their rules far more than those that disassociate and put a bullet in it.
If nothing else, if you're trying to tell everyone else how to live in relation to the cult, your JW is showing.
You've also been here for how long now? Does that mean they still have power over you?
We were all impacted in different ways. We go through this stuff at different points in life, are impacted in different ways emotionally and mentally, and we all get out our own way. If you're out, be happy, and screw anyone trying to shame you for doing it a way that they in their narrow minded way don't grasp.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses Really Have No Power Over You Unless YOU Let It Happen!
by minimus inshould i go to a judicial committee and perhaps get disfellowshipped?
should i talk to the elders just because they say they want to talk to me?
should i simply disassociate myself and have nothing to do with the organization?.
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dubstepped
Oh dear, this drivel again. I disassociated and it was the best thing ever. Don't you take your dad to meetings or something? Or am I thinking of the wrong person?
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Creation, evolution, ???
by Freedom rocks inwas on the bus today and got into a discussion somehow with the driver and ok be ood his work colleagues about whether there's life in other planets, evolution and creation.
the driver believes there must be other life out there, i agree with him that life can't be unique to this planet out of the billions that exist.
his colleague who i think might be a jw by his attitude and reasoning skills thinks we're the only planet with life on it and it was made perfect and exact purposely for humans.
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dubstepped
Also, saying that science or evolution is Cofty's religion is silly too. You just can't get out of this made up religious mindset. I'm interested in football, spent last night going over some things to play fantasy football with some friends, will spend time studying and watching it. That doesn't make it my religion. Being interested in a thing doesn't make it your religion. Worshipping something, giving it supremacy in your life, that gets into religious territory, living your life accordingly. This is why it's hard to have honest conversations with religious people. Just like JWs, they see things only through the narrow lens given to them. They aren't open, they aren't exploring life, they're stuck worshiping an ideology that gives them blinders to anything not on their prescribed path.
Cofty, and many here, took the blinders off and started exploring. Others are still stuck. It's okay, believe what you want, but you have to WANT to believe in the god of the bible, it's something you put on, something you choose, not something observed through real life on earth discovery. Some of us are exploring what can be uncomfortable truths with the strength to set down long held beliefs and walk away from what is often self serving. We don't seek to have our ears tickled anymore. I'd rather put my belief in things that can be observed or replicated and in the end, not worship it but approach it with curiosity, than to worship and give supremacy in my life to a belief structure that cannot be observed nor replicated. There's no religion for those of us interested in science, that's the construct of men with belief in tales of old, not something that those without it can be defined by.
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Creation, evolution, ???
by Freedom rocks inwas on the bus today and got into a discussion somehow with the driver and ok be ood his work colleagues about whether there's life in other planets, evolution and creation.
the driver believes there must be other life out there, i agree with him that life can't be unique to this planet out of the billions that exist.
his colleague who i think might be a jw by his attitude and reasoning skills thinks we're the only planet with life on it and it was made perfect and exact purposely for humans.
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dubstepped
How one can ridicule assumption based on observation while believing in a magic sky daddy from a book of fairy tales where so much of what is in it cannot ever be observed is the height of ridiculousness. Be sure that you apply your same criticisms to your own deeply held beliefs and not just that of others.
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dubstepped
I immediately thought of that Peanuts cartoon where Lucy brings the ball up when Charlie Brown tries to kick it, sending him on his backside.
It's like the running back gets near the goal line and then looks up and realizes he's on a never ending treadmill that he can't get off of and that no matter how hard he stretches he'll never break the plane and see that ref with his arms up high. There's only one way off, to stop, and it's gonna hurt as he gets throttled backward.