Posts by anglise

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Did Jehovah Provide? Examples please

by anglise in

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how many times have we heard from the platform about jehovah and looking after pioneers etc especially if they were short of money or something material.. in our cong it wasnt jehovah it was other brothers and sisters doing the providing.

usually those who were actually in a full time secular job.

the ones who took all the stick about not putting kingdom interests first but instead tried to pay their own way in the world without deliberately working short hours and claiming benefits.. this sort of thing really used to make me sick.. we even had one pio sister that used to make her bible studides fell sorry for her.

anglise

Hi everyone

what used to get me was feeling guilty for working and yet feeling obliged to give to these who where always pleading poverty.

I am not saying that all pios were like that. Maybe we had more than most and this has clouded my view.

I can also remember being out on the work one Sat and coming across a group of b&s doing gardening for a b/study. When you have struggled to get you and your 3 children out on the work and left jobs at home (such as gardening) that desperately need doing and then come across that it gets to you especially as you know that nobody would help you, there isnt enough kudos. I suppose they could all count their time!!!

I often wonder what would happen if all in the congs did pio and live a simple life without state benefits. Where would the WTBTS money come from then?

Maybe we should push the full time service and then is could be a victim of its own success and crumble unless of course jhvh provided!!!

Anglise

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I RENOUNCE MY ASSOCIATION WITH JWS

by REALNESS in

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it is my pleasure to announce i have terminated my membership of the jehovahs wittnesses.

i shall be formally making this statement known to my congregation at tomorrow nights meeting after i have taken the ministry school.

for many years i have developed my own thoughts on religion and this along with the information i have learned here and on other sites has convinced me that i can no longer live teaching the bollocks the wtbs.

anglise

I hope it all goes as you plan Realness.

If you have family/close friends still in this might be a bit drastic unless you know how they would feel about such an announcement from the platform.

Remember how you would have felt over a DF announcment from the platform that you knew nothing about, especially if it was someone you where close to or even related to. I have seen the effects of such things.

I am not to deter you from leaving the org, far from it. I am just hoping that you have prepared your ground well.

We where in for 18 years and other half was an elder when we started fading, but we had our children to consider and these had been brought up in the org.

I hope you get what you want.

Please keep us posted.

Anglise

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The Independent,2 April 2003, page13/14

by badboy in

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on page 13 is an ad by the lord's witnesses.. `the league of nations/un was abyssed during wwii as prophesied in revelation 17.. it is ridden by a harlot which stands for all the unfaithful churches in the world.these are all the religions which have joined the un as ngos(non governmental organisations).they range from the catholics to the jehovah's witnesses.the reason that christian churches should not join th un is that they are supposed to look to god for their protection and advancement not powerful organisations of men.in this sense joining the un is an act of unfaithfullness,depicted in revelation as harlotry,because the church is supposed to be the wife of christ,he should be their head rather than any political organisation such as the un,however noble their charter may be!.

page 14. a man with mental is said to have confessed after reading the sixth commandment.

anglise

Is it possible that this a group of XJW's?

They have all the right terminology!!

Anglise

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What should we reply when invited to memorial?

by bluesapphire in

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when my mil invites my husband to the memorial he plans on saying, "well i've already been to the memorial before.

if you've been there once, there's no need to go again since the talk is the same mumbo-jumbo year after year and i'm not anointed anyway.".

what do you plan on saying or have you said?

anglise

Just ask WHY.

This will then lead to lots of opportunites to give them some real information and facts about the WTBTS.

Just have your facts ready.

Anglise

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Satan Had it easy! Does the bible make sense?

by Mecurious? in

my response to the thread above on do you still believe got me to thinking.

satan had it easy.

in genesis he was allowed to corrupt adam and eve and bring death to the whole human family.

anglise

I have always thought that the idea of a creator destrying his creation because it doesnt work as he expected it to is to say the least bizarre.

It is like a small child who cant quite master his lego bricks and so throws them down and jumps up and down on them when things dont work out as he wanted.

Maybe there is something out there.

We have no ultimate proof either way.

I certainly dont believe in the biblical concept of a creator.

Most governments through the ages have embraced the main philosophies ie care of fellow man etc and often without a religious leaning to take them that way.

The god of the old testament would be tried and found guilty under the Hague convention. Is he the best we can do?

Anglise

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Did Jehovah Provide? Examples please

by anglise in

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friends

how many times have we heard from the platform about jehovah and looking after pioneers etc especially if they were short of money or something material.. in our cong it wasnt jehovah it was other brothers and sisters doing the providing.

usually those who were actually in a full time secular job.

the ones who took all the stick about not putting kingdom interests first but instead tried to pay their own way in the world without deliberately working short hours and claiming benefits.. this sort of thing really used to make me sick.. we even had one pio sister that used to make her bible studides fell sorry for her.

anglise

How many times have we heard from the platform about Jehovah and looking after pioneers etc especially if they were short of money or something material.

In our cong it wasnt Jehovah it was other brothers and sisters doing the providing. Usually those who were actually in a full time secular job. The ones who took all the stick about not putting kingdom interests first but instead tried to pay their own way in the world without deliberately working short hours and claiming benefits.

This sort of thing really used to make me sick.

We even had one pio sister that used to make her bible studides fell sorry for her. She was very good at befriending old ladies and ended up with gifts of money and one even left her enough in her will to buy a 2nd hand car. In all the years we knew her she never actually bought anyone into the org so these were really 'cup of coffee calls' (maybe that was good after all).

What was your cong like?

Anglise

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CONGREGATION CONTRADICTIONS Weekly # 1 - Children Being Sacrificed

by UnDisfellowshipped in

congregation contradictions weekly # 1 -- children sacrificing their lives to obey the watchtower society's ever-changing blood doctrine!

merriam-webster dictionary's definition of "congregation": (1a): an assembly of persons: gathering; especially an assembly of persons met for worship and religious instruction (1b): a religious community: as an organized body of believers in a particular locality .

merriam-webster dictionary's definition of "contradiction": (1a): a proposition, statement, or phrase that asserts or implies both the truth and falsity of something (1b): a statement or phrase whose parts contradict each other .

anglise

Thankyou Undisfellowshipped

this is interesting.

Thankyou for the time spent researching this. I would imagine it could be very useful to have such eye opening snippets to hand.

This is one I have saved.

Anglise

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Would it be better to have a halt to war topics ?

by Simon in

unfortunately, it seems that people are unable or unwilling to debate or discuss the war and stay civil.

people are accused of all sorts of extremes such as "advocating child torture and rape" if you are against the war or "being a mass murderer and war criminal" if you support it.. some people seem to want to be able to post anything they want and it be accepted verbatim while other people are denied an opinion that doesn't agree with theirs.. i for one am sick of it and i suspect that other people are too.. this is supposed to be a site for jw related issues.

not exclusively but primarily.

anglise

Maybe some are going over the top with their comments and views because for the first time they are in position to really say what they think and feel about this highly emotive subject.

In the last 2 conflicts ie Falklands and Desert storm we were loyal dubs and so spouted the party line and I am sure this is the case with many on the board right now.

I think maybe it is hard for people who come from a high control background to express themselves in an adult and constructive way and to let others do the same.

The old feeling that anyone not in total agreement with them is "wicked-worldly-deserves to die at Armgeddon" then tends to take over and govern their reasoning.

We must all allow others the freedom of their thoughts and decisions without resorting to personal abuse and derogratory comments.

However much we think we know and understand about this latest conflict we DONT KNOW IT ALL!!, and maybe never will.

We also bring our own emotional baggage to every decision we make and comments we type on this forum.

We can all try to be thoughtful and adult about this.

We do after all want to show others that the org is wrong about life outside its walls and want to encourage these ones to join us here in their recovery.

We can say what we feel but total freedom is anarchy so we must think first.

I am finding it very thought provoking to read others thoughts on this war but it detracts from the main issue when the comments become personnel.

Anglise

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