Posts by toreador

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Why were apocalyptic books included in the NT canon?

by logansrun in

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all right folks -- especially you scholarly ones -- let me state a question i've been having: .

from my understanding of christian history the proto-catholic church selected the books to be included in the nt canon after the first century was concluded (nt canon finalized in mid 2nd century?).

included in this canon were books which include some apocalyptic sayings of jesus (especially in mark) that obviously were not fulfilled, such as mark 9:1 "truly i say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of god has come with power.

toreador

I had never thought of some of those points. Interesting thread.

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Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?

by Little Bo Peep in

hello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.

i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.

i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.

toreador

AlanF wrote:

More on Rud Persson's threat to turn you over to your local congregation: It's ironic that you, who scream about your academic freedom being threatened, don't seem to realize that it's not folks like Rud who threaten it, but your very own Mommy, the Society. If you weren't completely convinced that the Society would disfellowship you for associating with "apostates", you wouldn't see Rud's threat as a threat.

Aint dat da truth! My relatives walk around on eggshells fearing they might be talking to an apostate. Heaven forbid they might hear something that might stumble them. LOL What a joke, if they only knew the truth about the truth.

Toreador

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Gave 586/587 evidence to elder today

by SeymourButts in

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i decided to take the big gamble today and stopped to visit an elder relative of mine.

the gamble wasn't the visit, but what i did while there.

i am many years da'd, but still have a fairly good relationship with most of my family.

toreador

Good Job!

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The New OM Book? Don't Waste Your Time.

by metatron in

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i zipped thru the new organization book and can tell you that it's a waste of trees.. i think that the updated section on df'ing is mostly just a legalistic response to distance.

themselves from any potential defamation charges, by default.. it downplays the blood issue and 'worldly' holidays but almost none of that matters.. why?

because in the end, the sservice dept calls the shots.

toreador

Good post Metatron

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JW Ben wants proof the WTBTS is in direct violation of Jesus' teachings

by Honesty in

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in your post to me you said.... .

"the wtbts is teaching a truth and a law code that is in direct violation of what jesus taught.." .

alright start a thread that clearly demonstartes that thw wtbts is teaching a truth and a law code that is in direct violation of what jesus taught

toreador

All good suggestions.

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Quotes by Thiele concerning Watchtower Chronology

by VM44 in

does anyone know where is is documented that thiele made the following quotes?

as bible scholar e. r. thiele said about a watchtower article on chronology, "it reminds me of the way an unscrupulous lawyer would deal with facts in order to support a case he knows not to be sound.

http://www.geocities.com/athens/academy/6040/kc.htm

toreador

scholar pretendus cum mentula flaccidus.

Ok, what language is that and what does it mean?

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WATCHMAN IS DISFELLOWSHIPPED UNDER NEW POLICY/NEW BOOK!!!

by bjc2read in

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watchman, as many know from reformer websites such as (1) e-watchman.com and (2) e-jehovahs-witnesses.com discussion board, has been officially disfellowshipped from all congregations of jehovah's witnesses!.

here is the link to the sudden change in status for him: .

http://www.e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/viewtopic.php?p=41406&sid=196154f73a3336c977fb1315fb5183e4#41406.

toreador

I wonder how many active JWs read EWatchman?

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Quotes by Thiele concerning Watchtower Chronology

by VM44 in

does anyone know where is is documented that thiele made the following quotes?

as bible scholar e. r. thiele said about a watchtower article on chronology, "it reminds me of the way an unscrupulous lawyer would deal with facts in order to support a case he knows not to be sound.

http://www.geocities.com/athens/academy/6040/kc.htm