When you compare the relatively quite small number of people killed by Jim Jones (People’s Temple), David Koresh (Branch Davidians), and Marshall Applewhite (Heaven’s Gate) with the thousands – THOUSANDS – of men, women, children, and babies killed (effectively murdered!) by the Watchtower’s unique and ridiculous blood policy, it becomes extremely obvious that the Jehovah’s Witness “religion” is just another quirky cult – but with much more blood on their hands!
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9Jehovah Witness An Organization Of Shame.
by WhoYourDaddy ini don't have anything good to say about these people.. if you can get past all of the ambient abuse.. if you can get past all of the twisted lies and shameful history.. if you can get past all of the familes destroyed and children damaged from the blood and 2 witness policy.. if you can get past all of the real estate laundering and for profit lies; it is all about the money.. if you can get past all of the hypocricy and bitterness.. if you can get past all of the gb megalomaniacs.. if you can get past all those things.. i still can't find anything good to say about this shameful group of ignorant people.. shame on each and every one of you controlling liers.. shame on each and every one of you who aid and abet this continued ambient abuse and ridiculous fraud of an organization.. shame on you..
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Shameless self-promotion...
by rory-ks ini was hoping that there would be some discreet corner of this forum where members could post about their own little ventures - but there is none, so i'll just go down the route of brash, shameless self-promotion.. after the leaking of the judicial committee videos, which had a (some word i can't think of just yet) effect on me, and in the spirit of jeni lundblomvaldez's article over at aawa.co, ex-jws: stop respecting the watchtowers wishes, i have decided to start my own blog, the carpenter's arms.
the reason for the name will become apparent.. there is not much going on there at the moment - the doors have only just been thrown open - but feel free to come over and say hello.. .
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Great site, Rory! I just posted a comment on “Carpenter’s Arms.”
Us XJWs and fading JWs need a safe and friendly place where we can just get together to compare battle scars and reaffirm that we are certainly not alone. All of us have been hurt in one way or another by the Watchtower corporation’s disingenuous and aggressive proselytizing machine. Such a safe and friendly retreat is like a welcome breath of fresh air. I wish you all the best. Let’s get the party started, so to speak.
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"No Ammonite or Moabite shall enter the assembly..." = Implications
by EdenOne inand they named him obed.
jesse was the father of david the king.
matthew 1:6, 7 - " and jesse the father of king david.
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“Bobcat”: “They and any other peoples could qualify as proselytes to Yahwism (cf. Exod. 12:38) though this did not give them automatic access to the worshiping assembly.”
This certainly begs the question as to the appropriateness of Jesus, evidently the Firstborn Son of God, being a descendent of a Moabite parent, with all that entails or implies as to the status of someone from such national stock.
In other words, since Ruth was clearly a Moabitess and as such would ‘not have automatic access to the worshiping assembly,’ would it really be appropriate for such person to be so elevated in the lineage of the Messiah, especially given Jehovah’s reputation for exacting a very high and pure standard of holiness and consistency with everything else, and all the more so regarding matters of spiritual integrity and ethnic exclusivity? Was not Jehovah known for being most particular in not accepting any animal for sacrifice or even any person for service with any notable defect, including a man with leprosy or a missing limb or whose testicles were crushed, etc.?
All things considered, I believe this is still something which should make anyone at least say, “Hmm.”
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My PERSONAL Complaint concerning Jehovah's Witnesses
by fulltimestudent ini was not much more than 16 when i became interested in the jws.
i was an idealistic, unrealistic (read, romantic) kid, concerned at the suffering of so many people as a result of ww2 and its aftermath.. i guess that made me an ideal target for the kingdom message.
but strangely the person who told me about the witnesses wasn't one.. where i worked, we often had quite deep discussions during morning tea breaks, and a non-witness kept bringing up the ideas of the witnesses.
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“Ding”: “There can't be any honorable way of leaving "the truth."”
There can’t be any honorable way of leaving a cult. (Just ask Steve Hassan.)
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100 YEARS OF YEAR TEXTS SINCE 1914
by OwnAccord inemail that's being sent around.
will yet praise thee more and more.- (ps.
1940 "my heart shall rejoice in the salvation."-(ps.
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“ 1974 "Although the fig tree itself may not blossom , . . . I will exult
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Jehovah himself."--Hab. 3:17, 18.”Well, isn’t that appropriate for 1974 – the year before 1975. I guess the “fig tree” of the JWs’ grand deliverance, indeed, did not get enough fertilizer, because it sure didn’t do any blossoming in 1975!
Also, isn’t it most interesting that there were absolutely no mentions of either “Jehovah” or “Jah” in those yeartexts before 1932! Notice that before 1932, they just used the words “Lord” and “God.” You would think that if the name “Jehovah” was so extremely important (it sure is now!), they would have used it in at least one yeartext between 1919 – the year that the WTS was supposedly selected by “Jehovah” though Jesus – and 1932. That’s a rather long time – well over a decade – that they just seemed to have forgotten the name which they now thump obsessively. (Hmmm.)
And, last but not least, notice that in that entire listing of yeartexts, the name “Jesus” only appears ONCE – in 1922! Wow! (Big red flag, for sure.)
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On a Scale of 1 to 10---How Devoted Were You To Being One of Jehovah's Witnesses?
by minimus inas i grew up in the religion, i was a 10. i wanted to be made a "servant" because that was instilled in me from infancy.
i diligently studied ever piece of watchtower literature and defended my religion intensely.. when i got into my 30's, i started to see little cracks in the watchtower's surface but decided to "wait on jehovah".
then i started to research a little more critically and realized i couldn't defend the prophecies, the treatment of people and the hypocrisy that was becoming more obvious, that especially an elder can see.. it was a gradual thing---from a 10 to a zero!.
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“LongHairGal”: “They might have family or business connections and can't afford to rock the boat. They are held hostage and I am sure they hate every minute of being in the religion!”
Take it from me, you ain’t whistling Dixie!
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On a Scale of 1 to 10---How Devoted Were You To Being One of Jehovah's Witnesses?
by minimus inas i grew up in the religion, i was a 10. i wanted to be made a "servant" because that was instilled in me from infancy.
i diligently studied ever piece of watchtower literature and defended my religion intensely.. when i got into my 30's, i started to see little cracks in the watchtower's surface but decided to "wait on jehovah".
then i started to research a little more critically and realized i couldn't defend the prophecies, the treatment of people and the hypocrisy that was becoming more obvious, that especially an elder can see.. it was a gradual thing---from a 10 to a zero!.
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0 to 10 yrs. old: 10/10 (born-in, that’s all I knew)
10 to 13 yrs. old: 9/10 (beginning doubt of surviving Armageddon)
13 to 16 yrs. old: 7/10 (increasing double-life: smoking, swearing at school, bizarre sexual fantasies, etc.; greatly increased fear of dying at Armageddon)
16 to 33 yrs. old: 5/10 (" " " " " " " " " " " " ")
33 to 47 yrs. old: 0/10 (discovered this site & TTATT; not really any more fear of dying at Armageddon; currently atheist with some agnosticism: somewhat open-minded but within a very scientific context)
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Feb 15th Watchtower study article.
by quellycatface injust browsing the jw survey website and looked at the above article.
i am constantly being amazed by the disgusting bs the gb spew out.
this time it's about all the people "slain by jehoover and how the bodies would lay end to end of the earth......and the birds of heaven called to clean up the slain.
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“St George of England”: “Birds of the heaven going to eat the bodies? I always thought all the animals were going to turn back to being vegetarian after Armageddon.”
Well, maybe that will be an Outback steakhouse special event – all-you-can-eat ribs, steak, liver, etc. (limited time offer) for all the animals.
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Disassociation
by evilone inhi all, i haven't posted here in quite some time.. just as an update, about two years ago, my wife and i moved to a big city about 500 miles away from the town in which we grew up.
we made this move in part to expedite the fading process, which was successful.
when we moved, as i described in an earlier post, we formally transferred from our home cong (where our families are) to a local cong in our new city, and then transferred twice more so as to get lost in the shuffle.
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If I were you, I would forego sending an actual disassociation letter to any congregation because a copy would likely be sent to the Bethel headquarters, to remain indelibly on your record in their database for an eternity. It would be like successfully escaping from a communist dictatorship (like North Korea or Cuba) and then sending them a letter basically saying the old “Na na na na na!” It might feel good, but you could forget ever going back, and you could say goodbye to any social or family ties still remaining in what you have been able to leave behind.
Moreover, what I would do is if any JWs do contact you asking questions, I would just tell them that I am taking a bit of a sabbatical from everything, that I am kind of in a period of transition right now, and that I will get back to you (but don’t). That will allow you to sort of remain in a state of limbo with them. Your status will just be up in the air indefinitely (or at least until you completely fade from their radar) but with nothing actually established or committed one way or the other. You’ll find that eventually they’ll just move one. After all, they shouldn’t really have the time to keep obsessing over you – they’re supposed to be busy pounding the pavement knocking on doors!
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Did Jesus say his followers would be witnesses of Jehovah?
by blondie inwhat did jesus say?.
(acts 1:8)8 but you will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon you, and you will be witnesses of me both in jerusalem and in all judea and samaria and to the most distant part of the earth.
by "divine providence" what did jesus' followers become known as?.
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“wasblind”: “ISAIAH 43:10 [‘You are my witnesses . . .’] was quoted before the Birth of the Christ.”
Good point! That same verse ends with, “. . . and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he.” (NIV) Clearly those to whom Isaiah’s quote had been directed (“you”) were of the ancient Jewish nation of Israel. The purpose of those ancient Israelites being God’s “witnesses” at that time was to bear witness to Him among the surrounding nations as an actual nation separate from other nations as God’s chosen people.
However, fast-forward to Jesus’ time – if Isaiah were alive at that time, then surely he would have recorded a scripture more along the lines of Jesus’ own words at Matthew 24:14: “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come” (NIV), with the understanding that those who would be preaching the gospel message in the Christian era could properly be called something like “Witnesses of Jesus”; i.e., “Jesus’ Witnesses!”
“zophar”: “Isn't it true that at John 5:32 "There is another who bears witness about me, and I know that the witness he bears about me is true." It is referring to Jehovah bearing witness to Jesus?”
This specific verse seems to refer to the Father, or Jehovah.
There are actually three different testimonies about Jesus referred to in this and the following scriptures: 1. that of Jesus himself, 2. that of his Heavenly Father, and 3. that of other men, specifically John the Baptist. Jesus says at John 5:33-35: “You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth. Not that I accept human testimony; but I mention it that you may be saved. John was a lamp that burned and gave light, and you chose for a time to enjoy his light.” (NIV)
Note, however, the following commentary specifically regarding John 5:32 pasted directly from “http://biblehub.com/john/5-32.htm”:
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(a) The witness of the Father. Verse 32. - It is another that witnesseth concerning me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth concerning me is true. It is a mistake, with Ewald, De Wette, and many others, to suppose that this refers to the testimony of John the Baptist. By Augustine, Hengstenberg, Luthardt, Godet, Meyer, etc., it has been perceived that the "other" (ἄλλος) refers to the Father. Jesus expressly declines to receive John's testimony as his justification or sufficient vindication, and he contrasts it with the higher confirmation which in three distinct ways is already and continuously vouchsafed to him. The present tense, μαρτυρεῖ, is in striking contrast to the testimony of John already silenced by imprisonment or death. The methods of this testimony are subsequently analyzed and described.”