Also, when I say married for 20+ years, don't take that as me claiming any kind of relationship authority or anything. That's just a testament to marrying an amazingly patient and understanding woman. That's all I can say for being together for so long.
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How to avoid getting disfellowshipped for having a wordly girlfriend?
by cookiemaster inhey guys, i've been pimo going on full inactive for a very long time, 5+ years.
pretty happy with the current situation.
over the years, i've gotten lots of grief from the local elders and cos for my inactivity, attending wordly public events and social media posts.
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How to avoid getting disfellowshipped for having a wordly girlfriend?
by cookiemaster inhey guys, i've been pimo going on full inactive for a very long time, 5+ years.
pretty happy with the current situation.
over the years, i've gotten lots of grief from the local elders and cos for my inactivity, attending wordly public events and social media posts.
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backformore
I was in your position a few times back when I was younger (41 now).
My advice to you? Tell them to fuck off.
Seriously, I went through it a few times trying to be PIMO with a worldly girlfriend. It isn't worth it. When I say it wasn't worth it, I mean trying to be PIMO. Every single girl was totally worth it. There were a few who were really great human beings, ESPECIALLY the one I've been married to for over 20 years now. She's worth more than all my family and friends (JW or not) combined and more.
Don't hang all your JW stuff on her, that's too much. You need to be in a mental state where that stuff doesn't even matter or you're putting more on her than she deserves (been there, done that).
As for your parents being around their grandkids, they're an amazing tool in getting your parents to accept you and your loved ones. Those eventual kids are yours, not theirs. You have the power there. If they want to be in your children's lives, they have to be so on your terms. As your kids get older, they'll understand and appreciate you even more for that stuff (again, speaking from experience).
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Biotech company Amgen helping JW with Anemia
by TheWonderofYou inoiwhen a jw is in a life threatening anemia situation or needs a coronary artery bypass in case of dialysis-dependent chronic renal failure there is bloodless solution: .
epo ....this stands for "erythropoietin" also par in "epoetin" "epogen" and replaces the lost blood seemingly.
it counts to the allowed bloodless therapies.. what was jehovahs part in it?
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backformore
I'm a dialysis RN and have been for a couple years or so. When it comes to that stuff I know it forwards and backwards. I give my patients, both JW and not, Epogen and iron on a daily basis.
If someone is bleeding to death, Epo and iron aren't going to do anything at all. Without a blood transfusions, that person is going to die. Epo is a synthetic version of a hormone your body makes. Most people get plenty of iron through their diet. Healthy people have plenty of both so giving them even more isn't going to do anything other than cost money.
If you are a chronic renal failure patient on dialysis you aren't going to be bleeding to death unless something very very bad happens to your access which is incredibly rare (in two and a half years, I've lost one patient to that and I work in a very large and busy clinic). What most people don't realize about their kidneys is that in addition to filtering out the bad stuff, keep your electrolyte levels in balance, and producing urine is that they also monitor your hemoglobin levels (the amount of red blood cells in your body) and release the real version of Epo to keep your your hemoglobin levels at a good place. When your kidneys don't work and you are on dialysis your kidneys don't make that hormone like they should so the staff at your dialysis clinic will do blood draws to monitor your hemoglobin levels and administer appropriate levels of Epo as prescribed by the doctors to raise and keep your hemoglobin levels good.
Oddly enough, Epogen is still rarely used in those cases. It is the best medicine to somewhat quickly raise hemoglobin levels (it is going to take multiple days at least to raise it a few points) but there are better medicines for long term use such as Aranesp and Mircera.
All that said, that's just for renal failure patients. For cancer patients, the Doctors really have to nail the amount of Epo (or any other similar drugs) just right. Why? To get your hemoglobin levels up to a safe (not good but safe, there is a big difference there) you can't just pump people full of the drug and trust their body to do what it should. These drugs, when given in an amount that would make your hemoglobin levels actually normal compared to the normal population, has one nasty side effect - they feed cancer and make it much worse. Your doctor has to closely monitor your hemoglobin levels (which is done via blood draws which waste blood) and give you a medicine that could very easily feed the cancer that is killing you and make it even stronger.Either that, or, you know, just give you some blood to raise you to a good healthy hemoglobin level and be done with all that crap.
Whatever.
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How were you 'outed' ??
by stuckinarut2 inmany of us here have been "outed" as ones who no longer believe that this is "the truth".. many didn't have the chance to do it in our own way, and in our own time, but rather someone "found out about our apostasy" and "reported" it to the spiritual police (elders).
would you like to share your stories?.
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backformore
Hehehe, funny story about this one. Back when I was a teenager and still in I was friends with this one girl who got DF'd. I was a horrible JW so I still stayed friends with her and would talk to her outside the hall and even hang out sometimes. Fast forward a few years when I've gone apostate and am in my 20's. I run into my old friend and she's married now. She introduces me to her husband and he's nice enough. While we're talking I start going on about how I'm out now, proud apostate, and on and on. She tells me her husband was once at Bethel and I congratulate him on how far he's fallen since that time. Very nice and pleasant conversation. A couple weeks later I was talking to my buddy who was out also and I mentioned running into our old friend and her husband. As I'm telling him about our conversation he starts getting this horrified look on his face that keeps getting worse and worse as I go on. Once I finally shut up the only thing he can get out is "You know she went back, right?" Turns out she got reinstated and married this super elder at another congregation. I'm going on about being apostate now and neither one of them has the nerve to say they're still in. At this point I do the only thing I can think of, start laughing. Seriously, I'm going to lose family and friends over this but at least I won't have to deal with all the hiding and stuff like that. I'm now totally free to just be me.
Remember, the only power these people have over you is what you give them.
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Convention “Highlights” - bwhahaha!
by Muddy Waters intaking a walk down memory lane at those looooonnnnngg, tedious conventions... .
(boy, they weren’t kidding when they spoke about being long-suffering and having endurance!).
but what were some of your convention highlights, or lowlights, from back in the day?.
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backformore
Being a 16 year old kid in the mid 90's and running the sound system because the guy that had the job of storing and bringing the system forgot to get the instructions on how to hook everything up and nobody else could figure out how to do it. I remember at one point the CO was standing around us and asking if I was baptized or not. I told him no and that I could leave if he wants me to. I got a very frightened "NO!! But you really are supposed to be if you're working in the sound department." I just rolled my eyes, said OK, and went back to adjusting mic volumes.
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Why is there such a 'high turnover' within the Jehovahs Witnesses?
by UnshackleTheChains ini happened to come across a time article in 2008. it was basically talking about the high turnover in american faiths.
it mentioned the jdubs and highlighted the following point.. an even more extreme example of what might be called "masked churn" is the relatively tiny jehovah's witnesses, with a turnover rate of about two-thirds.
that means that two-thirds of the people who told pew they were raised jehovah's witnesses no longer are — yet the group attracts roughly the same number of converts.
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backformore
In my old congregation when I was in high school, there were 15 young people. Two of them are still in. Make what you will of that.
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Going out in service.
by Fader812 ini loved going out in service, i would empty my book bag out on the counter at the laundromat, walk out and go get a doughnut, i had a lot of hours and placements on my time card.
i really hated talking to people, the anxiety was too much for me to handle, good thing my service partner felt the same way..
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backformore
I can't even remember all the time we spent talking to Wendy Donaldson.
You know, Wendy's and McDonalds.
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Uninvited...again...
by Anders Andersen inso a week or so ago we received an invitation for a jw friend's wedding anniversary party in the mail.it was addressed to 'the andersen family' (and not just mrs. andersen & baby andersen) which was pleasant of course, but not a huge surprise given the type of person who said friend is.. however, i already prepared myself to be uninvited after all.
some time ago, there was a congregation farewell party/get-together.to my surprise, i was invited too!
an elder specifically came over to my house to tell me.then some weeks later, he visited again, being terribly sorry but the invitation was revoked as the congregation got concerned over my possible presence.. with that debacle in mind, i wasn't surprised to receive a message from my friend 'hey are you at home?
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backformore
That's when you just blow it off and thank him for letting you out as there was something that is actually enjoyable you were wanting to go do that day anyway. Be happy about and wish him well too. That really throws them off and shows that there really is more to life than their wacky little cult.
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Male Nurse gave women powerful sedatives before fondling them Jehovah's Witness Jw.org
by TTaTT4U inhttp://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/north-fulton-county/warrants-nurse-gave-women-powerful-sedatives-before-fondling-them/525355215?ecmp=wsbtv_social_twitter_sfp.
may 22 2017. sandy springs, ga. - warrants claim a north georgia nurse accused of inappropriately touching women under anesthesia injected at least one of them with a potent drug to keep her under sedation for a longer than necessary period of time.. sandy springs police arrested michael morgan, 33, after they said he admitted to touching the women while they were unconscious at the gastroenterology practice where he worked earlier this year.
police said morgan confided in his pastors at the kingdom hall of jehovah’s witnesses, and they turned him into detectives.. according to warrants obtained by channel 2’s mike petchenik, "mr. morgan admitted to taking a used plunger of propofol from a medical trash pile that had not been used all the way.
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backformore
Speaking as a male RN, the guys that do that deserve to be castrated. As an RN you do have to touch people in places that are normally very private (cleaning them, examining them, etc). One person who does stuff like that just makes people like myself who would never even think of abusing those we care for.
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One of the most defining thing that made me question JW church after 27 years was seeing the funeral discourse outline.
by Chook init gave the poor bastard who past away no respect, hardly mentioned anything about the deceased.
yet hijacked the event with cult propaganda..
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backformore
I haven't posted on here in a long time but reading this made me sign back in for the first time in years.
My mom passed away back in December. I imagine most of you all don't know me so I'll just say I'm about as big as an apostate as you can be. Literally, I rather enjoy walking around wearing my t-shirt that has the word APOSTATE in big red letters on the front. I'm good with my JW (though not very hardcore) parents. They are older, not very well off, and I'm the very definition of middle class so I help out with stuff when I can. Also if my parents want to see their grandkids I made it plain from the very beginning they would only be doing it on my terms which includes no JW crap.
So anyways, mom died back in December. Of course Dad and my sister are going to have a big JW funeral at a funeral home. In Mom's family, she is literally the lone JW. Mom has a big family, Dad has a small very JW family and a decent chunk of their congregation so the room is about half JW and half non. Elder what's his name gets up there and preaches for a while and actually mentions Mom for maybe five minutes at the most (she liked the beach and Gatlinburg, real insightful stuff believe me). As he was finishing up, however, I stand up, walk to the podium, get in front of the mic, and do my own very positive service about my mom I had been working the past couple of days on for all the non-JW's in the room. Well, mostly positive. I did start it with "So now that we’ve heard about the religious beliefs...Not all of us believe that or came to hear about that today.". I then played a Vince Gill song about losing someone that my mom loved and went and sat back down.
How'd it go over? My wife was proud of me. My kids thanked me because, according to them, they said it seemed like the JW guy just used her death to try to sell his religion to everyone and they just wanted to hear about their Grandma. My mom's family all went on about how great I did. My dad and sister thanked me and said how what I did was so brave. At the end when everyone is walking past the family a few JW's even broke the norm and told how much they liked my service. There were some that barely spoke to me at all and you could tell how horrible they thought I was but screw those people, it was my mom's funeral and I'm her son. Nobody's forcing them to be there so big deal.
I guess what I'm saying is, if you don't like how something is going, get up and change it if it is someone you're closely related to like a parent or child. You may even be surprised at who is feeling the same way as you but just isn't brave enough to do something about it.