Posts by darkspilver

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Online article, ex JW

by Lostandfound in

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jehovahs-witnesses-religion-christianity-religious-group-what-is-it-like-a7214966.html?cmpid=facebook-post.

not sure if this already posted, article from uk independent online newspaper.

darkspilver

Hi steve2

I wonder what prompted the Independent to run the story

He was probably just browsing Reddit

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"Marking"

by confused in

please can anyone help me to find any information from society's literature on the subject of marking.

i wasn't aware it was still practiced.

i would like to know how it is explained as being in any way scriptural.

darkspilver

Yes, it is.

2 Thessalonians 3:14 & 15 - "But if anyone is not obedient to our word through this letter, keep this one marked and stop associating with him, so that he may become ashamed. And yet do not consider him an enemy, but continue admonishing him as a brother."

1999 Watchtower 15 July 1999 pages 29 to 31

Questions From Readers: Is the 'marking' mentioned at 2 Thessalonians 3:14 a formal congregational process, or is it something that Christians individually do in avoiding unruly ones?

scan to link

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Online article, ex JW

by Lostandfound in

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jehovahs-witnesses-religion-christianity-religious-group-what-is-it-like-a7214966.html?cmpid=facebook-post.

not sure if this already posted, article from uk independent online newspaper.

darkspilver

Seems to be a complete rip-off from the Reddit thread, with nothing added, well apart from a stock image from France (!)

I mean, whatever happened to journalism? Oh yes, of course, the Independent stopped printing five months ago.

But then, as one of the comments says: "it's nice to see the Indy expanding its reporting horizons - from single, anonymous sources on FaceBook and Twitter to single anonymous sources on Reddit too."

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"back in the day people didn't know not to abuse kids"- a jw explanation for their abuse scandal

by purrpurr in

a few weeks back i showed the guardian article about the borg refusing to cooperate with the charity commission into child abuse to a fellow jw.

their response was quite amazing.

they told me that in the 50s-80s people didn't know about child abuse, didn't know it was wrong and no one really believed children when they claimed they had been abused - even worldly people.. they said that alot of the time children lie about being abused or therapists plant false memories in their heads and that apostates lie about being abused to undermine our faith.. about the borg not cooperating with the commission they said that it was probably because they wanted to protect the identities of jw's who had been abused.

darkspilver

For context, see this interesting item from 'Watching the World' that appeared in the Awake 8 March 1980 page 30 regarding the Episcopal Church under the heading 'Churches Pushing Porn?', second paragraph:

A book titled "The Sex Atlas," produced by an official publishing arm of the Episcopal Church, is being sharply criticized by two Episcopal priests who feel that "it seems to be an apology for any aberrant sexuality." Among other things, they point to passages in the book that seem to minimize child molestation and sex with animals. The book says that molested children may be more "disturbed by adult hysteria about a gentle and friendly 'child molester'" than by the molestation itself. Also, it predicts that in the future "our society will be much less preoccupied with sexual contact between humans and animals. After all, as long as the animal is not hurt or mistreated, there is no need for social interference." Apparently this religious publishing house does not consider God’s opinion on such matters to be relevant. — Ex. 22:19

The text of this book is available online in it's 1983 revised version

http://www.sexarchive.info/GESUND/ARCHIV/ATLAS_EN/atlas.htm

If you can stomach it, it would seem that the relevant sections are 367 to 368 and 466 to 469

FYI the full paragraph that the above 'Watching the World' quote comes from states in the revised 1983 edition:

Studies have shown that by far the greatest majority of convicted child molesters are relatives, neighbors, friends, or acquaintances of their victims. It has also been shown that physical injury occurs only very rarely {in about 2% of the cases). Any potential psychological damage is difficult to assess, and, if it occurs, it may very well be caused more by the reaction of parents and officials than by the sexual act itself. While children understand that coercion, intimidation and physical assault are bad,, they may be puzzled and even seriously disturbed by adult hysteria about a non-violent "child molester." It seems, therefore, that it should make a legal difference whether the children are hurt, forced, threatened, or annoyed, or whether they act as willing participants. If the latter cases are to be prosecuted at all, they should obviously carry much lighter sentences. Indeed, it may very well be unfair to treat them as crimes in the first place, It also seems only realistic to reduce the age of consent at least to the beginning of puberty. For both sexes the age of 14 seems to be the reasonable maximum as in the state of Hawaii and in many European and Asian countries. In many cases even lower age limits may be justified. (Actually, the whole notion of age limits for sexual partners deserves to be questioned. Today many people are arguing with good reason that age alone should not be the basis for making otherwise harmless and legal sexual behavior a crime.)

http://www.sexarchive.info/GESUND/ARCHIV/ATLAS_EN/atlas.htm

Please note that, as with much on the internet, I can not vouch for the accuracy of the text as reproduced at the above website - though I've got not apparent reason to doubt it and it which appears to be run by the author himself - http://www.sexarchive.info

link to scan

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"back in the day people didn't know not to abuse kids"- a jw explanation for their abuse scandal

by purrpurr in

a few weeks back i showed the guardian article about the borg refusing to cooperate with the charity commission into child abuse to a fellow jw.

their response was quite amazing.

they told me that in the 50s-80s people didn't know about child abuse, didn't know it was wrong and no one really believed children when they claimed they had been abused - even worldly people.. they said that alot of the time children lie about being abused or therapists plant false memories in their heads and that apostates lie about being abused to undermine our faith.. about the borg not cooperating with the commission they said that it was probably because they wanted to protect the identities of jw's who had been abused.

darkspilver

Hi Phizzy!

Nathan Natas has given us a couple of Awake quotes, thanks for those, but I distinctly remember an Awake that dealt directly with Child Abuse in the early 1980's, the time that the JW in the O.P seems to be referring to.

Awake! 22 June 1982 pages 3 to 12

The New Morality - How will it effect them?

Many say that the morality of the Bible is not practical, so they follow what they call “the new morality.” Has it, then, proved to be more practical? or less practical? To find the answer, this series of articles looks at the crop the new morality is harvesting, especially as it relates to children

The New Morality — Harvesting Its Crop

The New Morality - Its effect on children

'Chickens' and 'Hawks' - "Just as it occurred in the days of Lot" Luke 17:28

'Baby Pros' and 'Kiddle Porn' - Pimps and pornographers prey on the young and helpless

Rape at Home - Now even incest clamors for acceptance

To End Child Abuse - The remedy works when practiced, not when preached

Pages 9 and 10 reference the article "Cradle-to-Grave Intimacy" that appeared in Time magazine of September 7, 1981 - interestingly this appears to have been removed without trace from Time magazine's archive: http://content.time.com/time/magazine/0,9263,7601810907,00.html

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Ex JW Reddit numbers going crazy

by Crazyguy in

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i don't know what the membership increase is like here but over at reddit their getting 20 plus newbies daily if not more.

it's crazy how much thier growing 2000 or more since i signed up and that wasn't that long ago.

looks like the loyalty conventions didn't stem the tide.

darkspilver

Hi millie210!

I love looking at those old scans Darkspilver, thanks for posting them!

thanks - I like the graphics they used and the layouts, all done old school - and the page fillers, like the parallelogram layout above.

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Anyone Live in Maui Area (Kihei, etc.)?

by jacobm in

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friends

gonna be seeing a friend there in november.

.

:).

darkspilver

Kingdom Hall: 230 E Welakahao Road, Kihei HI 96753

Kalama Park: Monday at 7.00pm and Sunday at 12.30pm
Wailea Beach: Tuesday at 7.00pm and Sunday at 9.30am
Kihei: Thursday at 7.00pm and Sunday at 3.30pm

KH at bottom left, sea on right

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Convention(al) Wisdom

by darkspilver in

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conventions satisfy a basic human urge: the longing for belonging.. at conventions, people who share similar interests - even obsessions - come together to bond and to be themselves.. the outside world doesn't matter.

in fact, for the weekend duration of most conventions, the outside world doesn't even exist.. the conventioneers have each other and that's all they need.. http://conventionalwisdom.com.

the mermaid convention.

darkspilver

Conventions satisfy a basic human urge: the longing for belonging.

At conventions, people who share similar interests - even obsessions - come together to bond and to be themselves.

The outside world doesn't matter. In fact, for the weekend duration of most conventions, the outside world doesn't even exist.

The conventioneers have each other and that's all they need.

http://conventionalwisdom.com

The Mermaid Convention

http://ncmerfest.com

The Ventriloquist Convention

http://www.venthaven.com

BronyCon - The My Little Pony Convention

http://www.bronycon.org

Real Bearded Santas Convention

http://www.ibrbsantas.org

Anthrocon - humanlike animal characters known as 'furries'

http://www.anthrocon.org

The Abraham Lincoln Convention

http://www.lincolnpresenters.net

The Jehovah's Witness Convention

http://www.jw.org

hat tips to http://coolhunting.com/tag/Conventional%20Wisdom and queensvillage1976 at https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/4zvzr9/spanish_assembly_at_bbt_center_on_lauderdale_14k

haha, I slipped that last one in

For more about the photo book see http://conventionalwisdom.com

Kelsey Lu - 'spin around' dresses at the KH

by darkspilver in

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kelsey lu: "i was very particular about what kind of dresses i would wear and want.

they had to be what i call 'spin around' dresses, and if i spun around and they made that wave, then it was a go.

"memories of family thrifting excursions — trips that helped solidify her personal style — are wistful accounts of unearthing overlooked treasures.

darkspilver

Kelsey Lu: "I was very particular about what kind of dresses I would wear and want. They had to be what I call 'spin around' dresses, and if I spun around and they made that wave, then it was a go. It was definitely a go."

Memories of family thrifting excursions — trips that helped solidify her personal style — are wistful accounts of unearthing overlooked treasures.

http://www.vogue.com/13469713/afropunk-kelsey-lu-festival-style-churches-dev-hynes-molly-goddard/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ9nmbN5rd4

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Sunday Tv - Jehovah's Witnesses Paedophilia in Australia

by berrygerry in

if only someone had listened back then!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy8b22hs9me.

darkspilver

Hi cofty!

Thanks berrygerry. Do you know when this was made?

Sunday 22 September 2002

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/38080/just-watched-sunday-program