weird subject title, i know - but let me explain................. i am df'd (12+ yrs now) so when my father (an elder) passed away last year i was shunned by everyone but one sister who came up and hugged me.
since the funeral, whenever i run into her she always gives me a hug - nice i thought.. then last week i run into her at the supermarket - she gives me a hug and then makes a joke saying "guess i'm going to hell now".........so i replied...."really?
that's too bad because i won't be there".
Just a thought, but, maybe this could be a good sign?
Not only is she talking to you which is a taboo, but she now is joking about a place that is usually not joked about by witnesses. I NEVER heard a hard-line JW joke about going to hell!
Maybe the door has just opened a little crack for you to peek in? Hope good things come to you in the future.
Mrs. Shakita
my jw friend was reinstated this past week.
but during the little meeting one of the elders kept hammering her about non business visits with her adult children.
he kept it up so much the other two elders began to get a bit embarressed.
They grilled them separately to see if their stories were the same?
Sounds like the KGB, FBI, CIA, and WTBS all play the same game.
If you agree to the rules of that game like your friend is doing, she is in a no-win situation. She is playing with fire.
We just had a wedding in the family, too. Some of the ugliest JW people I know are now our in-laws. I know what the future holds for your friend, and it isn't pretty.
Mrs. Shakita
after i got a haircut recently, a look in the mirror revealed a little too much recession of my hairline for comfort.
i saw that 'horseshoe' shape atop my head.
so, while i was away, i got my head buzzed.
Some very famous and sexy bald men.....................
Robert Urich-----was so sad when he died
Telly Savalas----looked cute with the lollipop always sticking out of his mouth
G. Gordon Liddy----if I'm not mistaken, he was key to Watergate many years ago
Patrick Stewart---all stand for the Captain of the Star Ship Enterprise
Yul Brynner----Loved him in "The King and I"....best version
and last but not least..........Mr. Clean(at least he cleans the house, more than I can say for some men)
Mrs. Shakita
i know we were taught to study all the wts stuff.
prepare for each meeting, prepare for service, (gotta know the articles) etc.
i mean with all the personal study to do, how could anyone have time for newspapers, novels etc.
unless it's apostate related........
That's where we are. Because there is a void when you decide to leave, I think by reading the ex-jw related material out there, it helps to reinforce your decision to leave a whole life behind. If it wasn't for Ray Franz's books, and the "apostate" web sites, we would have probably sucked up to the many "We miss you" visits by the brothers and sisters, and would be back at the KH right now. At the present time we are reading "The Sign of the Last Days--when?" and "The Gentile Times Reconsidered" by Carl Olof Jonsson.
Someone who believes that, "An Informed Apostate is a Good Apostate",
Mrs. Shakita
i know we were taught to study all the wts stuff.
prepare for each meeting, prepare for service, (gotta know the articles) etc.
i mean with all the personal study to do, how could anyone have time for newspapers, novels etc.
Really, minimus? You really LOVED to study? You know, I think it really doesn't have to do with the subject matter itself, it has to do with the person. If the person really likes to read and delve into the material that is going to be discussed, they will study deeply, underline, look up scriptures, and prepare answers. And, they will do this regardless of the time consumed in doing it. I know of a family with many children who would sit them all down to go over the WT for the Sunday meeting and this sister would make her kids(yes, very small children)sit there for sometimes over 2 hours going over the article. I always felt sorry for the kids when I heard this. In our house, when we DID go over the WT Sunday article beforehand, there was much fighting and arguing with the kids over things like answering, answering legibly, answering loudly, etc...... Stupid, Stupid, Stupid................. My head(translation=husband)went along with the WT in inculcating the WT dogma into our children's poor little heads by making them read and answer in a way that brought no disrepect to Jehovah. I, on the other hand, thought that kids will be kids, and they can answer or not answer, that is their choice. I was never very good at being a good subservient JW wife. This, in turn, made for many battles of wills during our propaganda indoctrination sessions with our kids.
Fast forward to today, and I still do not like to study. My husband does. I think it has to do with personality. The difference now is, we are not FORCED to study!!!!!!!
Have a nice day
Mrs. Shakita
Dear Mr. Farkel:
Congratulations on achieving this magnificent feat of numerical historicity!
Mrs. Shakita
p.s. I still think you're kinda scary!
i know we were taught to study all the wts stuff.
prepare for each meeting, prepare for service, (gotta know the articles) etc.
i mean with all the personal study to do, how could anyone have time for newspapers, novels etc.
When I was a brand-spankin-new JW I would study for meetings, even though I really had NO time and hated studying!
Later, after about a few weeksI starting getting tired of the underlining crap, only to come back and read it again during the study, then discuss it(usually with repeating the same material for a 3rd or 4th time). DUH, BRAINWASHING IN PROGRESS!!!
We used to sit in the back of the hall, last row of seats possible. One reason, because kids can be distracting to other drones who might want to listen and repeat the drival in the publishing companys rags. Second reason, because I never studied the propaganda before hand. If we sat in the very back, my paraniod, brainwashed mind thought that the other drones would not see I did not have my rag underlined.
Ahhhhhhhhh.........................the memories............so sweet!
Mrs. Shakita
i'm a 24yr old non-witness who has been dating a 23yr old witness.
we met through a mutual friend.
when i met him i thought he was sweet and kind and the kind of guy i could see myself with for the rest of my life.
Well.....................either CW was scared off by so much honest advice.....or she will be coming back soon to check her replies............or she comes to Jehovahs Witness Discussion boards to see how many people will spill their guts and waste their precious time giving great advice to someone who obviously does not really "NEED HELP."
Whatever................. just was wondering how many times this happens on this board. Someone pleads for help, and they never come back to reply!
Another thought, maybe she read some of the replies and called off this relationship with the JW for good. Hopefully that happened. Guess we will never know.
Whereever you are CW....................I wish you well.
Shakita
i've noticed that this is the first holiday season for many here on the board.
that means there's gonna be some pretty sad xmas trees this year .
so my question is does anyone have any great holiday craft ideas????
Hi VeniceIT:
This year will be our first in a long, long time.
I think we will be doing some old fashioned things. Like, stringing popcorn, making some of our own ornaments, etc... But, definitely, I would like to go and cut down our own tree this year. Sounds like fun. We'll see.
One place you could try for crafts is acmoore.com. They have crafts to make on that site.
Mrs. Shakita
i am researching the jw religion...and i was talking to a man who was going to join.
he told me something about satan and his angels not being cast out until 1914...because that's when the first war in heaven happened.
i don't know how accurate he was, but please, if someone could help clear me on this?.
Chibiwellington: The Watchtower Society has taught for almost 100 years that Jesus began to reign invisibly in 1914. According to them, one of Jesus's first act as a King was to throw Satan and the demons out of heaven onto the vicinity of the earth. This is based on a scripture found in Rev12:7-9 in which Michael, who the Wt says is synonymous with Jesus Christ, ousts the Devil from heaven which spells woe for the earth.
What you haven't been told is that at one time, Charles Taze Russell, founder of the Watchtower Tract and Bible Society, taught that the end was going to come in 1874. When it didn't materialize as expected, Russell interpreted Jesus's coming, from the Greek word parousia, as presence. So the reason that mankind couldn't see Jesus return is that his return was invisible to human eyes. This is a tactic that the Watchtower has used many times. If Jesus didn't return according to expectations the Watchtower would just claim that Jesus is invisibly present. So, when the world didn't end in 1914, the Watchtower simply made the claim that Jesus was invisibly present. Although, this just hid the fact that the Wt was a false prophet. You see, they had predicted the end of all things in 1914.
The Watchtower Society has had no problem in setting dates for the coming of Jesus Christ. Each time their prophecies have been proved false. Look at this excerpt from Ray Franz's "Crisis of Conscience", on page 212. He was citing the May 15, 1922 Watchtower. It reads in part: "The fact that all things that some looked for in 1914 did not materialize does not alter the chronology one whit. Noting the date marked so prominently, it is very easy for the finite mind to conclude that all the work to be done must center upon it, and thus many are inclined to anticipate more than has been foretold.(Here they are blaming the reader for the Watchtower Society's false prophecies) Thus it was in 1844, in 1874, in 1878, as well as in 1914 and 1918. (All these dates were at one time believed to have been the end of the world as promoted and prophesied by the Watchtower, thus they were false prophets, up to this point, five times over) Looking back we can now clearly see that those dates were clearly indicated in scripture and doubtless intended by the Lord to encourage his people, (Jesus encourages his people with false prophesy and disillusionment?) as they did, as well as to be a means of testing and sifting when all that some expected did not not come to pass. (Again they are blaming the innocent rank and file for the false expectations and prophecies of the Watchtower) That all that some expect to see in 1925 may not transpire that year will not alter the date one whit more than in the other cases." (1925 was a date Joseph Rutherford set for the end of the world, another false prophecy)
Hopefully, your friend still has an open mind on this subject. I would recommend that he read "Crisis of Conscience" by Ray Franz. This book is illuminating in bringing all the false prophecies of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's false prophecies to light. I would also direct him to the web site freeminds.org. This site has scores of material on the subject of 1914 as being the "alleged" return of Jesus Christ. What I have written on the subject is by no means exhaustive, but I hope that this material has been of some help to you.
Mr. Shakita
