Yes I do agree that Doctrine debates do have their place. If a JW expresses doubts it is the perfect time to use it. However, if you just meet a JW or are going against an Elder, stay away from anything Doctrine related.
thedepressedsoul
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Why do EX-JW's try to argue the bible/doctrine with JW's?
by thedepressedsoul ini've watched a few judicial committee videos on youtube.
they all start out great but eventually the person starts to bring out bible teachings and doctrine.
i understand that 99% of their teachings are complete crap, but to me it's a pointless battle.. as a jw growing up i remember being on countless calls where a jw would argue the trinity with the householder.
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Why do EX-JW's try to argue the bible/doctrine with JW's?
by thedepressedsoul ini've watched a few judicial committee videos on youtube.
they all start out great but eventually the person starts to bring out bible teachings and doctrine.
i understand that 99% of their teachings are complete crap, but to me it's a pointless battle.. as a jw growing up i remember being on countless calls where a jw would argue the trinity with the householder.
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thedepressedsoul
I've watched a few Judicial Committee videos on Youtube. They all start out great but eventually the person starts to bring out bible teachings and doctrine. I understand that 99% of their teachings are complete crap, but to me it's a pointless battle.
As a JW growing up I remember being on countless calls where a JW would argue the Trinity with the householder. I have seen this at least a hundred times. Not once did the householder ever walk away no longer believing in the Trinity. The JW left feeling like he was right that the Trinity didn't exist and the householder would walk away still believing and thinking they were right and won the argument.
The point I'm trying to make is, there is a reason that there are thousands upon thousands of different Christian denominations. The bible can be used to justify just about any type of belief/teaching that you want. I mean look at how you can use the bible to try and get some crappy teaching like 1914.
I think the best thing when dealing with a Committee or an active JW is to focus on stuff where the bible doesn't even get brought up. The ARC, child abuse, donations etc... Most of these Judicial Committee's start off going over topics like this and the person that is going through the Committee is owning it. The elders stumble over how to answer the child abuse issues.
The 2nd you bring up doctrine you put the ball in their court. Just like every other religion can use the bible to try and support their beliefs, JW can do the same. There is no winning a bible argument since the bible can be used to support almost any belief. 99% of the time people leave believing what they believed before the debate.
That's just my 2 cents and how I plan on handling situations in the future.
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Will this faded JW be DF?
by thedepressedsoul ini have a friend who has been inactive for going over 2 years.
him and his wife split, she stayed a jw and he left and lived with a worldly girl.
he timed it so that he was officially inactive by the time him and his wife split.
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thedepressedsoul
Thanks Sir82 that gives me something to go off of.
From what it seems like it all depends on the elders that get assigned to him and if they feel he has been gone many years or not enough.
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Will this faded JW be DF?
by thedepressedsoul ini have a friend who has been inactive for going over 2 years.
him and his wife split, she stayed a jw and he left and lived with a worldly girl.
he timed it so that he was officially inactive by the time him and his wife split.
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thedepressedsoul
@safeathome - His wife is going after everything. She wants every dime and refuses to settle outside of court. It's funny, she's the "JW" too. -
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Will this faded JW be DF?
by thedepressedsoul ini have a friend who has been inactive for going over 2 years.
him and his wife split, she stayed a jw and he left and lived with a worldly girl.
he timed it so that he was officially inactive by the time him and his wife split.
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thedepressedsoul
No, the elders had it out for him. 60% of the body wanted to DF him. From what I understand was that the CO said to drop it because he showed no interest in coming back or wanting to be a JW. Maybe I have some facts wrong and they didn't have evidence against him? -
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Will this faded JW be DF?
by thedepressedsoul ini have a friend who has been inactive for going over 2 years.
him and his wife split, she stayed a jw and he left and lived with a worldly girl.
he timed it so that he was officially inactive by the time him and his wife split.
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thedepressedsoul
I have a friend who has been inactive for going over 2 years. Him and his wife split, she stayed a JW and he left and lived with a worldly girl. He timed it so that he was officially inactive by the time him and his wife split. No hours turned in, barely and meeting attendance.
He cut JW land cold turkey when they split. His wife was hell bent on getting him DF. She showed the elders letters that showed he had a gf and did everything possible. She also showed other pieces of "evidence". The elders tried getting him in the hall to "talk" but he dodged it every time, never stepping foot in a hall. The elders finally told her that he is not accepting the Christian authority arrangement so there is nothing they can do.
Fast forward two years and he is still inactive and his wife is still a JW. There divorce will be finishing up within the next 1-2 years.
If they divorce and he remarries, will they DF him then? I find it odd they never DF him as inactive before when tech they could have. Would they DF him 3-4 years later when he has not stepped foot in a hall or been in contact with any witnesses?
His wife sure as hell made sure that everyone in JW land knew what he was up to when he left.
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Netflix Has Jehovah's Blessing Behind It!!!
by thedepressedsoul ini am getting sick of the broadcast and how 1 new hall or a few thousand members in an area is "proof" of jehovah's blessing.. we just had a commentor at our wt study that brought out the 1.5% increase and how amazing that is and proof of jehovah's blessing.
not to be a joy kill but if i was invested in a company that was only growing at 1.5% and downsizing everything, i'd be selling that sucker and going short.
it hit it's stock performance peak and is retracting.
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thedepressedsoul
I am getting sick of the Broadcast and how 1 new hall or a few thousand members in an area is "proof" of Jehovah's blessing.
We just had a commentor at our WT study that brought out the 1.5% increase and how amazing that is and proof of Jehovah's blessing. Not to be a joy kill but if I was invested in a company that was only growing at 1.5% and downsizing everything, I'd be selling that sucker and going short. It hit it's stock performance peak and is retracting. Yet JW feel it's Jehovah's blessing.
If anything, I think he's blessing Netflix more and fulfilling prophecy about being throughout the entire world.
Over 75 Million Users in 25 years - Got some catching up to do JW's
40 Million in US alone.
42.5 billion streaming hours - If only that was spent in the ministry
10 billion hours per month - Again, if only in the ministry since this is life saving work!
100 million hours per day!
Blows away any JW.org statistics!
It's in over 130 countries!!!
Two possibilities - Either Jehovah likes Netflix more than JW's or Satan is better at providing "proof" of his backing, then Jehovah.
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Do JW get counseled for buying a home?
by thedepressedsoul ini was curious, i couldn't find much on it.
if anything, there are a few articles that give advice on how to properly buy a home, mortgage, good location etc... .
do you know if the elders can counsel on this matter or remove privileges over it?
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thedepressedsoul
I was curious, I couldn't find much on it. If anything, there are a few articles that give advice on how to properly buy a home, mortgage, good location etc...
Do you know if the elders can counsel on this matter or remove privileges over it?
I know a lot of JW that have bought homes but I never heard anything.
I'm wondering because I heard a pioneer say that it's "unwise" to buy a home.
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Peer presure to use Ipad
by Gorbatchov inearlier this season i advised my retired father to ignore the use of a tablet during his kingdom hall congregational visits.
his response was hopefull, but between the lines i could hear he had no choice.. yesterday he showed me his new 600 euro 64 gb ipad air 2. he had no clue what he has to do with it, he told me one of the elders will install the jw.org apps.. so, i feel he had to deal with presure to buy this ipad and i think he is not the only one.. do you recognize this?.
gorby.
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thedepressedsoul
I love having my iPad at the meeting.
I text, read, browse the web, look at Social Media, get work done etc... All with a dim screen!
This is the best thing to ever have happened! I look like I'm super into what's being discussed from the platform while the meeting goes by 10x faster! I love it!
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Is zeal beginning to vanish?
by Caupon init has to be starting to fade somehow.
the very last time i went out in field service, hardly any were out.
maybe just about nine people were out and man if you could just see their faces.
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thedepressedsoul
Service in the US is dead, besides the few nut jobs that accept a study for someone to talk to. Only to stop the study when it comes time to be dunked.
A good experience anymore is someone taking the magazines or saying "they need god".
In the US service just keeps the R&F busy and talking to one another. I can't tell you how many times I've been out and we do a few calls, break, one more call and head back the hall. People calls are never home, they just take the magazine and that's it.
I know a few people with zeal and they stand out among the rest.