Posts by umbertoecho

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History of Royal Commission

by Bill Covert in

i have a lady at the bank, who was in the "peace core" in australia with a aussi husband.

i asked her about the royal commission to which she said;.

" the royal commission is the queen!

Don't let on too much though. There may be WT lawyers who are brought in from outside and we don't like to let them know about the delivery of the deadly questioning dart system. Steel hand in a velvet glove approach is perfected by these men and women. Always so very polite, but watch out that you do not lie to them or not respect their vested powers of veto.

That was Geogh .....damn Goughfff...damn again........just say it phonetically.....that was Prime Minister Goff Whitlam's government.... and I remember that well .............can't spell it right now because I'm drinking fortified coffee this early morning..........Irish coffee......

Royal Commission can force the closure of institutions, banks, unions.........oh the list goes on. It is not politically based as such. Yet it has England's first lady..... HRH backing it up.

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Does the RC have the names of the 1006 abused victims?

by Dumplin in

i've updated my jw wife on the highlights of the rc proceedings each day as they occur.

but tonight she said something that made my blood boil (which i am usually in complete control of).

she said something to the effect that victims need to not dwell on what happened and let it control their lives.

umbertoecho

His Honour, warned a WT lawyer on Friday, that it's focus was not going to be swayed away from past wrongs perpetrated against victims of an already horrible crime, by dint of WTs shocking approach to the whole sexual molestation claims and their neglectful and cruel attitudes. He was getting pissed off with the WTguy and his equally inefficient "expert" Miss CrabApple who croaked her way limpingly, ingloriously, over the finishing line that was Friday.

I don't see WT lawyers being able to bully or derail this commission, for the commission is too well read and experienced in stalling tactics.

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The original announcement by Gillard of the royal commission on child abuse

by barry in

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umbertoecho

The Greens and independent senator Nick Xenophon ....

This guy is terrific. He is a bit eccentric, but he is very committed to correcting "wrongs". This includes tough laws and sentencing. He never chops and changes to please anyone....Nice guy.

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The original announcement by Gillard of the royal commission on child abuse

by barry in

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umbertoecho

Cardinal Pell, was one of the those "elder like" men, we saw during last week. He was called sociopathic by some of his fellow peers. He would have loved to stay in Rome,doing whatever Rome does, but he was sort of 'forced' to return and face the music. Now he waxes compassionately? Hmmm strange shift in his outlook. He is not popular here at all.

Don't believe those quotes of outrage you have read. Someone probably slipped him a note telling him what to say, because he is incapable of relating to suffering.

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Justice in Historic Australian investigation says Jehovah's Witnesses child protection policies WORST

by Watchtower-Free in

historic investigation of jws latest videos are on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtxakzq0ity&feature=youtu.be.

umbertoecho

Well. I've enjoyed the banter here and the genuine concern for victims. I haven't slept for about three days. Just a nap here and there. I can't relax until this is all covered as far as the Royal Commission goes.

I have to say that you mad and lovely people have been awesome company. I love the humour here, the research, and the debates. There is more support in this place than any I have ever had in terms of coping. People get all hepped up over some things, then it all dies down and the search for wonderful gossip begins all over again. Secretly, I hope the WTBTS fall apart. I for one would be more than willing to get a trumpet and walk around their precious properties............if I thought it would crash them all.

Got to have a nap now. It is gone 5:30 here in Western Australia.

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Justice in Historic Australian investigation says Jehovah's Witnesses child protection policies WORST

by Watchtower-Free in

historic investigation of jws latest videos are on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtxakzq0ity&feature=youtu.be.

umbertoecho

Plus Heaven, may I remind you of how progressive they are with regard to degrading sexual practices........Not too long ago, a JW wife could not divorce her husband for beastiality because they were pretty sure that no half human half dog, cat, chook or horse would be born of this unholy alliance.

Then one day....they saw it was "not good". And they changed their minds........I think.

You are so lacking in faith for these " holy beyond holiness of these spirit appointed men" to guide you through the Great Tribulation and the big A. Where..... you too can have a dog, cat, badger or sit on a pit of friendly snakes............

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Justice in Historic Australian investigation says Jehovah's Witnesses child protection policies WORST

by Watchtower-Free in

historic investigation of jws latest videos are on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtxakzq0ity&feature=youtu.be.

umbertoecho

Ah! Heaven. Don't you know that all of them were repentant? Of course they were.

My sister said so and she has a direct line to the Guvnor through the GB( Greedy Bastards)

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One of the most important questions.

by Lemonp in

it is enthralling having everything being dragged kicking and screaming into the light of day.

however one of the most important things to ask is this:.

is the rc evidence admissable in other countries and other courts?.

umbertoecho

That statement by WT is two edged. Imagine a little girl of eight trying to find the right words to explain what she has gone through. Imagine how easy it would be for "elders" to disclaim her or his statements.

And if her father is the abuser? Or her mother? Again, if some adult assisted, there would be leeway for the elders to refute this child's statement and claim she was lead to say things by the person assisting her/him. It is full of holes and is worth pointing out to the Commission.

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Dr Applewhite and Conti's case

by Viva la Vida in

this is from conti's appeal veredict:.

monica applewhite, a clinical social worker and an expert on child sexual abuse, testified for defendants that watchtowers policy against disclosing private information .

very closely mirror[ed] the codes of ethics of the national association of social workers and the american counseling association.

umbertoecho

You could email it straight to the Royal Commission web site. You could all do something like that. In a respectful manner of course. There is a great need to show "less anger or outrage" than is allowed between discussions here.

Just send a bulk set of signatures and say you are "concerned" about this woman. Also, you could let the commission know that you are concerned about the use of Theocratic Warfare ie lying that is supported when JWs decide it's getting too hard.

Actually, you have started a great idea. If you members sent a signed petition via electronic means..........to Australian Royal Commission, attention to Stewart or His Honour. It would be a powerful message of concern. Think about it, but not for too long. Perhaps, I should start a thread. I am in Australia and to some degree, am involved in this commission.

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Dr Applewhite and Child Abuse

by snare&racket in

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i am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.

also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!

never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.

umbertoecho

The WT think that Australia is such an insignificant part of their population. I mean 70,000 maximum. They did not count on the fact that this commission has been in preparation since 2013. Gathering evidence, subpoenaing WT documents and letters, perusing and using the Elders hand book. They did not expect these men to have WT speak and knowledge at their disposal.

My own sister, a horrid woman and devout hypocrite was furious that they even had the bloody book!! How dare they she says with spittle flying in all directions and a crazed look in the eyes. Well my dear JW freak of a sis,..........."They just did because they can".

Some on this site may have initially thought that Stewart may have been sort of weak, but he was not. He was thorough and calm and undaunted by any reaction of the elders. He was empathetic to the victims but had to maintain focus. The last thing the commission will do is get all emotional ........angry if you like. The plight of the victims and the terrible disregard of WT to it's women and children was the prominent feature in disclosing WT practices and thus forcing those who were neglectful and denying any wrong doing, had to be done using the WT material. WT lawyers had no chance to approach or victimise those who had a factual account to tell.. Let this be a lesson in how not to under estimate your adversary........The Royal Commission.