by Lady Lee 60 Replies latest members private
Lady Lee
The opening illustration is so fitting
Why keep going to meetings just to be fed with what is false.
So much hurt is felt. Any one active, reading this, ... Wait till you get burned, by elders, and members.
I found out who my friends really were when the chips were down.
xjwms
I have already believe me I have. I know exactlly what you are talking about and FEEL.
defd
I think there are a couple of things that really bother people about the UN connection. The WTS lied about it at forst unil there was just so much info they had to come up with "we didn't know it meant 'joining and supporting' the UN excuse. You will see in the thread that to get that card they had to prove in sone way they supported the UN and its goals. Shortly after they joined at least one article was published (I think in the Awake!) portraying the UN in a positive light (instead of the wild beast). This was their way of "supporting" the UN. Keep reading
Oops I realized I posted the same link twicw. This is what I found on Mexico Malawi. While the brothers and sisters were being severely attacked, and many deaths across the globe at the same time the WTS was condoning the brothers in Mexico to bribe officials to get a card saying they had performed their required military service. Read the thread. I was just sick about this one as some of the posters on the board were. I too am old enough to recall the Malawi problems. But to think that others were let off the hook at the same time to me is unconscionable
Mexico/Malawi $$$$$? http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/31982/1.ashx
dfed
Thank you
As for me I could'nt hang on anymore.
TopHat,
You are correct, there would be nothing in JW teachings violated by using the UN/DPI library. Their use of the library is not even the issue, although the letter I received from the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses focuses entirely on trying to prove that point. They did not commit spiritual adultery, by their standards, by using the library. Their relationship to the UN/DPI changed materially in 1991 and the change in that relationship was maintained for 10 years, until 2001. They have been identifying the image of the wild beast with the U.N. for many decades prior to this significant change.
To illustrate the problem, consider this: There is nothing wrong with a Witness touring St. Peter's Cathedral. But, if there was a requirement that you must first apply to become an Associate to the Vatican it becomes wrong according to the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses. Engaging in voluntary membership relationships with organizations that are under judgement by God is discussed on page 155 of the new publication, Organized to Do Jehovah's Will (od-E). It reads:
Concerning those who renounced their Christian faith in his day, the apostle John wrote: “They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us.” (1 John 2:19) For example, a person might renounce his place in the Christian congregation by his actions, such as by becoming part of a secular organization that has objectives contrary to the Bible and, hence, is under judgment by Jehovah God. (Isa. 2:4; Rev. 19:17-21) If a person who is a Christian chooses to join those who are disapproved by God, a brief announcement is made to the congregation, stating: “[Name of person] is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.” Such a person is treated in the same way as a disfellowshipped person. The presiding overseer should approve this announcement.
You might consider the following questions, in view of this organizational stand:
1) Is the UN Department of Public Information (UN/DPI) a "secular organization?"
2) According to JW teachings, does the UN/DPI have objectives contrary to the Bible?
3) According to JW teachings, is the UN/DPI under judgment by Jehovah God?
4) Does "to Associate" mean "to join?"
5) Does the act of applying indicate a choice?
6) While they obviously did not join the UN (they can't), did the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society choose to join the UN/DPI?
7) Is the UN/DPI disapproved by God?
8) Did the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. "choose to join those who are disapproved by God?"
9) A re they above their own standards? (Romans 2:1, 2)
I think this line of reasoning is well founded on their own publications. Of course, you are free to make your own determination of the merits of this viewpoint.
Respectfully,
OldSoul
Oldsoul
For so long I tried to convince myself, that what I went through and everything I read about the organization was ok. That it was a perfect organization led by imperfect men. Mistakes were possible. But the more I thought about it, the more ludicrous that idea became. In the past, God used imperfect men to write the bible and deliver messages in the form of prophets. They never seemed to get the message wrong or distorted. Nothing Christ said was misinterpreted by his disciples and later changed. The more I looked at the way the organization was structured, the more I realized it was about power, not about helping those in spiritual need. The ability to control peoples lives. Just as an example (an extreme one at that), if the WTBTS decided that automobiles were evil, and "proved" it with the bible, do you realize how many witnesses would sell their cars?? If thats not control, I dont know what is...
Cori, I don't think the WTS will ever ban ownership of cars.....Then they couldn't take money from KH donation boxes for the new autombiles they buy for CO and DO plus the insurance for the cars they command the cong pay for as well. I remember when the WTS said they needed money for something or other and took the access cash from the KHs that had access cash. The brothers in the cong were so disppointed as we had just gotten out of the red. There wasn't much to take, but the WTS took it none the less. I think that is when my eyes opened to the shenanaGAINS of Mother. Plus there was one brother that I sincerly believe was taking kick-backs from the WTS for his conniving words to the cong. He moved away and bought a big house with beautiful fruniture on a repair mans salary. Go Figure!
Lady Lee, I have read the thread on Malawi and I agree there is a double standard there.
One post mentioned how the WTS built KHs for the African brothers which consisted of 4 poles, a tin roof and dirt floor. I had to laugh because I thought the same thing. How much did that cost and besides the volunteer brothers probably built it with donated local material.
My question is: Why can't the WTS take the money out their coffers and not burden the cong? Is the WTS helping the brothers and sisters who were affected by the hurricanes. I ask that question to a sister and she said they sent a building committee to inspect the damage to KHs. DUH! that is not my concern or what I was asking.
They were inspecting their property first of course. Then they'll go down the list provided by the local service committees to see who to help first...
