Farkel : So, Earnest: if you are playing for those boys, get their best member to do a tete-'d-tete with me.
Farkel, I am not playing for anyone other than myself and the idea that I have any influence at Bethel is entirely misplaced. If you really want to have a one-to-one discussion with the Service Department then I suggest you have a word with AlanF who seems to have managed it himself (see his meeting with Harry Peloyan) and is a human compendium of Who's Who in Watchtowerland.
Farkel : Anyone want to say Da Judge was a loyal, faithful husband, when in FACT he NEVER let his OWN WIFE come to Bethel and left her to be out in the Los Angeles area ALONE for his entire life from at least 1917 forward to 1942?
I am keeping an open mind as to whether or not Rutherford remained faithful to his wife, but my impression has been that she lived in California because of her health. In the examination of William Heath in the Moyle trial, Mr. Covington asked about Rutherford's wife (pp.1324-1325) :
Q. Mrs. Rutherford, what is her physical condition ?
A. She was an invalid for the years I knew the Judge.
Q. Was she maintained in California by the Judge ? A. She had a home there. He provided.
It's not clear to me whether the home was on the Beth-Sarim property or not, but as he spent seven months a year in California and was not accused by Moyle (or anyone else at the time) of neglecting his wife I don't think your inference is correct. And it seems she did live in Bethel before her health deteriorated. In cross-examination of Matthew Howlett, who had known Rutherford since 1913, he says so (p.1203) :
Q. By the way, did Mr. Rutherford's wife live at Bethel ? A. At one time, yes, sir.
Q. When ? A. In the early days.
Q. How early ? A. I don't know.
The Court: Do you know that of your own knowledge ?
The Witness: Yes, I do know that.
cyberguy, thanks for your kind offer to put me in contact with one of the elders that met with Berta but I really think it would be better if that opportunity be given to larc, who has a far greater personal interest in the matter, and I am sure will share whatever he considers appropriate. I was not suggesting he had made up the account of Berta's confession, I simply cannot reconcile the fifteen year period she spoke of.
Larc : Earnest, as Farkel pointed out, Bonnie's testemony regarding Berta's background is very weak and vague. She claims that Berta was a dietician in Ohio, but was unemployed. I find that pecular. Either Bonnie lied to exagerate Berta's credentials, or she was simply ignorant of the facts. Berta was never a dietician in Ohio.
Larc, it does seem peculiar as she seems so certain about it. Earlier, in the examination by Mr. Covington, he asks her about Mrs. Peal's duties (pp.1369-1370) :
Q. What other duties [apart from housekeeping] did she perform ?
A. She was a very fine dietician and also a nurse. She assisted Mr. Howlett; when Judge Rutherford was very ill, she assisted him.
By the Court:
Q. Was she a registered nurse? A. No, I don't think so.
Q. You say she is a very fine dietician? A. Yes.
Q. How do you know that? A. From her experience and the way she performed her duties.
As Berta (Bonnie calls her Verna) wasn't working when Bonnie visited her in Ohio I can only conclude that this is what Berta told her. Why either would want to exaggerate about it I have no idea.
Larc : Berta came to Bethel in June of 1938. This information is in the divorce papers.
ok, so the fact that Howlett, who had been acting as nurse and dietician to Rutherford, went on the Zone work in July suggests that Berta was invited to come as a nurse/dietician while Howlett was away, as well as being housekeeper. By the way, contrary to the impression I gave in my previous post, Berta did not live on the seventh floor while at Bethel.
Larc : When Bonnie said that she knew Berta for 10 years, she may have referring to the time up until the trial. I don't know when Berta became a Bible student, so I can't say when Berta and Bonnie became friends.
Yes, you are quite right and that is what was confusing me. The court record says (p.1382) :
Q. Was she a Jehovah's Witness before she came over [to Bethel]? A. Oh, yes, indeed.Q. How long had she been a Jehovah's Witness? A. About twenty years.Q. When did you first become acquainted with her? A. I became acquainted with her about ten years ago.
So, that was said in 1940 meaning they became acquainted about 1930. That fits in with the thought that Berta had told her family that she first met Rutherford in the early to mid-1930?s when she and Bonnie went to Europe. It is still a bit puzzling that Bonnie didn't think Rutherford knew her before she came to Bethel, as mentioned in my previous post. My guess is that they did meet in the early 1930s but there was nothing significant about it and they probably didn't meet again until she came to Bethel.
Leolaia : I haven't yet found her though, and I'm not use if her birth name was also "Bonnie".
Leolaia, the fact that Bonnie and her mother came to Bethel in 1923 (and that Rutherford became a father-figure) suggests that her father was either dead or divorced. If her mother subsequently reverted to her maiden name that would make it close to impossible to find them on an earlier census. I think the best bet are Bonnie's marriage papers in Las Vegas in the second half of January 1938.
Leolaia : BTW, did her association with Rutherford go back to 1920 or was this before she met him?
She came to Bethel in 1923 at the invitation of Van Amburgh so it is unlikely Rutherford knew her before then.
onacruse, I'm glad this brought you out of the woodwork. I hated to think you were missing out on all this fun. btw, have you seen the thread by Narkissos. Should be just your cup of tea.