disfellowship or disassociate

by Odrade 42 Replies latest members private

  • Poztate
    Poztate
    disfellowship or disassociate

    In either case you are ALLOWING them to do something to you.They can feel that they have all the cards and that you have no power.Years ago this might have been the case.NOW if I was a meeting I would remind them that if they tried to hurt me I would DAMM WELL hurt them back.If I were DA'ed or DF'ed I would very publically be out in front of the KH's that did this to me.I would carry a sign for www.freeminds.org or something similar.I would let them know THIS IS GOING TO COST YOU.You take me down and I will make sure I take at least 10 people with me.I have a feeling they might just check with the lawers that run the place now and decide it is not worth the hassle.Try for a stand off.You don't hurt me...I will leave you alone.The power is shifting more and more to us.Don't let them pull this crap on us anymore.

  • paterfamilias
    paterfamilias

    Disfellowship or disassociate? Neither one for me. And the assumption is that if you do neither, then you're stuck with the unenviable task of "fading" for some unknown length of time? I disagree with that also. So how about the fourth option that some of you have already mentioned, which is: simply do nothing (nothing other than LIVING YOUR LIFE, that is). That's exactly what I've tried to do over the last few months, and I think it's working. I'm at the point where I can go several days without thinking about my former life in the cult.

    Lately the issue has come up more because of memorial season. A certain elder has tried to contact us a few times, and we've simply avoided him. You know you were in a cult when you find yourself screening your calls and even staying away from your front door on Sat & Sun. mornings. It feels silly, and even cruel. But I just don't want the confrontation.

    We've even had a JW family move in two houses over from us. So now we have that as a reminder. But I don't care. I'm going to go on doing what I want because I feel I've already given enough to that organization in my lifetime.

    Our primary concern has been the effect on the family, and I'm now convinced that they're currently treating us exactly as they would if we were DA'ed or DF'ed. Actually, there's one person that would probably change, but it's that person's loss. I will try to talk to them about the WTS if they're willing to listen. I've already talked openly to my parents about some of the problems with the WTS, but they haven't brought up the topic since. And that's the way I think things will basicly stay. And on the off chance that the local elders decide to mount an offensive, let them try. I refuse to participate.

  • Danylo21
    Danylo21

    Seeing how I was DA'ed myself, and it felt better than being DF'ed, I would advise you to do the same.

    Don't worry...if you're not abiding by their rules, don't play the game anymore. I would talk to the elders, be completely honest and tell them that you don't want to be part of the organization anymore, that you have other plans in mind. Period. Don't compromise, or you'll just be lying to yourself all along.

    I posted something similar just now, but in a nutshell, I was DA'd when I refused to quit the Marine Corps. I didn't want to leave the organization, but they made me do it. Yeah, I won't deny there's an emptiness inside. But I feel better taking control of my life again.

    My best wishes to you and good luck. Feel free to drop me a msg anytime.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    DA or DF?? Just do it!

    The sooner the better, in my book!

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    I feel I may need to explain: Mrs Ozzie and I did the fade, but were never really free. Now that we are really free, the joy that this freedom, as well as our faith, brings is such release, such joy!

    So.....DA or DF???? Just do it!

    Cheers, Ozzie

  • cyber-sista
    cyber-sista

    I am on the fade and this will be the first year that I am not attending the memorial. Many know that I have been "stumbled" by the elders in my former cong. but they don't know of everything that has happened and what I now know about the Org. This has made some people wonder because I was known as being a fairly level headed person. I think just not participating in any more JW activities will send a clear message that I am no longer a part of their group. If I DA myself I am playing the WT game. I did not have to sign a paper to join the group--why would I have to sign one to leave? I may be DAd eventually by the cong here for some minor infraction (attending a b-day party or whatever) but maybe not. I will then continue to speak to who I want to and maybe some will wonder why I just up and quit and take the clue that they can quit too if they wish to. If someone asks me an honest question I will give them an honest answer, but until then I will just be nice. I feel sorry for many JWs I have known. Some of them are very nice people who have problems and that is why they can't break away from the Org. Some would be devastated if they knew the truth about the lie--I think I will just have to be nice to them. There are others though who have been nasty control freaks and if they give me the chance I may say speak my mind a bit more freely with them.

  • zion sleeping
    zion sleeping

    One way that has been mention on other's thread is to use the I'am DEPRESSED method. If you are sick, mentaly.... what can they do with you??? NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • scotsman
    scotsman

    It depends how many people you want to remain in contact with. Fade, and you'll loose your friends slowly, DF/DA and it's swift. Or just stop, and loose your friends in the Hall but remain in contact with your family. And meeting with the Elders will only indicate to them that you still respect their authority (read the Pay Attention book) so why even acknowledge them. DAing influences no one it only reinforces Witness beliefs.

    While it might feel enobling to think our departure may have an impact on other Witnesses, leave their lives to them, and get on with your own.

  • Special K
    Special K

    I personally would have liked to have disassociate myself. I think then that I would have felt more in control , more like it was my decision, ....

    sincerely

    Special K

  • boa
    boa

    odrade, i feel for your situation very much as my wife and I will not be attending the memorial this yr for the first time in about 3 decades.

    we have already had 3 visits from different ones with invitations - 1 about 3 weeks ago, one yesterday (with an invite to an after memorial get together heh heh maybe for more wine and crackers lol) and one today by a coupla bros while i was at work - jeece!

    it will be interesting to see the fallout from this but since we've been fading for a few yrs (just didn't know it was called this and it was unplanned) who knows what will happen. The only glitch is that the co is related by in-law to me and may give extra attention to us and doing something about it.

    I am reading all the replies to your question with eagerness to add the angles to what we will do when the time comes but I am leaning towards still being somewhat available to help a few special friends and family members which I think is best done without being da'd or df'd.

    boa

    sigh

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