jwsurvey.org blocked me from their website

by skittles 69 Replies latest members adult

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  skittles

  @john redwood

  Your answer is so messed up. You or anyone from the jwsurvey website have not made a single substantive response to any of my questions or concerns.

  The routine with you, Lloyd, and covert fade go through is to bully, shame, and then finally just deny deny deny. You have not answered a single point I have made. You have not proved any of the claims you made against me, and you still haven't given any real justified reason why you blocked me other than simply me not agreeing with everything you publish

  I would like someone to make a reasonable and logical case for why Jwsurvey is any different than the organization when it comes to dissenting voices.

  And what gives John Redwood the right to infer that ex-jws are some kind of monolith? I believe in free thinking but clearly what JR believes is that we either get on board with their dogma or they'll use whatever method they have available to disparage any and all dissenting voices.
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  konceptual99

  Why do you think anyone is interested in wading through this shite here?
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  Listener

  John Redwood said of Skittles -

  he continued to aggressively attack the editors and the survey itself, and his repeated rants ....
  continue arguing with Covert Fade and myself...
  he grew more enraged by the minute,....
  Skittles began commenting with heated criticism..... He quickly lost control and... his comments became extremely volatile and ad-hominem,...
  ....extremely aggressive, and lost control of their ability to be objective and carry on a civilized discussion.... .his hate was directed at Cedars...
  ... not satisfied with the responses and lost control.....if he could, he would chase Lloyd down.... clearly threatening...

  Then he says of some other posters

  I have seen a number of comments on this post which are false, incendiary, and suggest that Lloyd desires to be some sort of cult leader. This of course is the furthest thing from the truth, and frankly most of the comments I have heard of this nature are from very angry persons who are simply stirring the pot instead of helping people escape from the Watchtower organization. Watchtower organization -so let's focus on that instead of attacking one another.

  Then he proceeds to lecture us as to how we should behave. He hasn't taken any heed personally of the advice that he freely gives to us. This is in total contradiction to the attack he had only just engaged with on Skittle.

  helping people escape from the Watchtower organization. Watchtower organization -so let's focus on that instead of attacking one another.
  ....We must all work together to end undue influence in its many forms, so my advice to those who wish to perpetuate their anger is to remember who the real enemy is, and find a way to help people instead of wasting time arguing on web sites or Facebook or elsewhere. Life is too short for that. So find a way to contribute - create a website, write letters to politicians and charity commissions, contribute to organizations who are making a difference.
  Either way we need to decide what to do and make our time productive. So if you are done with the JW organization and you don't want to help an activist, then find a different cause or charity or hobby - you will be a happier person for it.

  These tactics are so like that of the WTBTS.
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  OUTLAW

  The more "obfuscating" the answer is..

  The more "Full of Shit" the poster is..

  BLAH..Blah..blah..
  

  We are making great strides, and the best is yet to come...Sincerely.....JR

  Ya..Right..
  

  
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  John Redwood

  To Mr. Outlaw I would say, if you don't believe we are making great strides in activism, then you haven't been paying attention to current events. Generally speaking, those who complain or disparage the work of others are most often the ones not doing anything to further activism or help people.

  At JW Survey, we have no dogma or requirement that anyone read or agree with a single word on our site. We are not in any way the definitive or final voice on Ex-JW subjects or issues. If you dislike the articles or disagree with the results of our survey, we accept that, and we hope that you move on to another source for information and opinion.

  I stand by my comments, and wish everyone the best

  JR
  
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  skittles

  Then prove it JR! Prove that my comments broke your rule, and prove that you warned me. But you cant because you shut my comments down simply for being a dissenter.

  You're methods are Trump-esque. You don't respond to content or actual claims but instead you deflect and defer blame.

  It takes less than 5 minutes to read the comments I have made on your website, the same one that cedars posted on reddit. I am sure it would take 5 more to highlight where my comments were out of line

  But contrary to your claim, you don't allow commenters on your website that don't agree with your prerogatives
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  joe134cd

  John : JW survey was extremely instrumental in me leaving the jws. Something I am deeply great full for to the team at jw survey. Loyd has done a wonderful job. I hope his book is hugely successful and if he makes a dollar out of it. He deserves every cent of it for the hours he has poured into it. Thank you Loyd and the jw survey team.
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  slimboyfat

  Indeed Listener, since even John Redwood's description of this thread bears little relation to reality, it's difficult to have any confidence in his description of other private conversations.

  It would be better if jwsurvey, and everyone, were more tolerant of diverging views. But they are entitled to act as they will. It doesn't matter all that much.
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  Ruby456

  Skittles, The emphasis on needing to work together gives them away. When such sentiments are emphasised then you know you will be treated to a lot of propaganda, to crushing reason and sense in the name of a pipe dream.

  joe134cd, if you really think about it, you were the most instrumental in freeing yourself not jwsurvey. Jwsurvey is just a name that you put to your own efforts.

  edit: at the end of the day if you need controversy in your life then by all means support cedars and company but if you don't and if you want to build your individuality, enjoy your life (well whats left of it after you worked so hard) then stay away from propaganda merchants of all ilks
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  OUTLAW

  To Mr. Outlaw I would say, if you don't believe we are making great strides in activism, then you haven't been paying attention to current events. Generally speaking, those who complain or disparage the work of others are most often the ones not doing anything to further activism or help people.

  The reality is..
  

  There many people who have been helping others,long before you bufoons show`d up.....And..

  They haven`t asked for a dime..

  ............................

  I noticed this on your website..

  Send Money to jwsurvey.org

  If Loyd needs money..
  

  Tell him to get a job and stop "Living Off" the wounded..