jwsurvey.org blocked me from their website

by skittles 69 Replies latest members adult

  • StephaneLaliberte
    StephaneLaliberte

    Yes, Cedars has a big Ego and often deviates from what he is trying to be: A moderate apostate exposing the Watchtower with facts. He often seems to believe he has the final say on things like he has the absolute hold on logic. Thankfully, he actually is right most of the time. Still, his attitude is sometimes rather annoying.

    That being said, I still appreciate his work. I can honestly say that I find the information he provides truthful. When someone points out something that is not factual, he does change, correct it and make public apologies.

    Will he delete your post if he doesn't like it? He sure will! On the other hand though, I do appreciate that, unlike Mike and Kim, he will not make "crazy accusations" like calling them Satanists (even if I know that they are, in some extended way, right).

    Does he deserve to make money? Why not? If the man could live from his activism, he'd be living MY DREAM. So, yeah, I bought his book and will support him if I can. I pay for cable TV, movies and books. Why not him? I've been watching him on a regular basis for the last 3 years. Clearly, he is worth my contribution for the entertainment value alone.

    This makes me think that to be fair, I should actually go and donate something to mike and Kim. Their crazy, but I still love them. :)

  • deegee
    deegee
    He is in it for the money, and doesn't give a shit about those who are "waking up."

    I'm wondering if the same can also be said about the following ex-JWs who have also written books for sale?:

    TERRY EDWIN WALSTROM

    - I Wept by the Rivers of Babylon: A Prisoner of Conscience in a Time of War

    RAY FRANZ:
    - Crisis of Conscience
    - In Search of Christian Freedom

    JAMES PENTON:
    - Apocalypse Delayed: The Story of Jehovah's Witnesses

    - Jehovah's Witnesses and the Third Reich: Sectarian Politics under Persecution

    DON CAMERON:
    - Captives of a Concept

    SCOTT TERRY:
    - Cowboys, Armageddon, and The Truth: How a Gay Child Was Saved from Religion

    - ANTHONY MATENIA:
    Paradise Earth: Day Zero

    POUL BREGNINGE
    - Judgment Day Must Wait by

    MISHA ANNUM,
    - Goodbye, Jehova! Wie ich die bekannteste Sekte der Welt verließ” (English: Goodbye, Jehovah! How I left the world’s most notorious cult)

    JOANNA FOREMAN
    - The Know-It-All Girl

    HELEN J BROWN
    - Heaven is a Donut

    BRENDA LEE

    - Out of the Cocoon

    etc. etc. etc.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    How can Lloyd do a book signing next week when he says in his video the book won't be available until January?

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    Unsure as to whether I will be meeting Lloyd Evans or not. You can see the conversation by following either Cedars @cedarsjwsurvey or myself @undubbed

    I won't be giving a running commentary about this, we either meet or we don't.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Hey nicolaou what day is it? I'll talk to you after the event if cedars won't talk to you. Provided it isn't on Tuesday because I'm going to Edinburgh to hear Simon Conway Morris explain the truth about evolution on Tuesday.

    http://www.ed.ac.uk/divinity/news-events/events/day-conference-the-theology-of-evolution-converg

  • John Redwood
    John Redwood

    For those interested in why "Skittles" created this post, I will be happy to provide the facts.

    First, John Cedars did not block anyone, and was not involved with the exchanges and posts made by Skittles. I blocked him for repeated aggravations and violations of JW Survey's terms of service. We responded to dozens of emails from Skittles as well as multiple online posts, but he was not satisfied with the answers provided, so he continued to aggressively attack the editors and the survey itself, and his repeated rants were simply going nowhere.

    This activity began when editor Covert Fade covered a Salt Lake Utah article which involved the rape of a JW minor by someone that Skittles claims to know. He questioned a statement made by the Salt Lake journalist, after which Covert Fade defended his coverage of the article. Once we were contacted by family members who actually had all of the facts, we updated our article to reflect the correct information.

    Unfortunately Skittles would not leave the matter alone, and felt that it was necessary to continue arguing with Covert Fade and myself. He further claimed at one point that the girl who was raped was in fact having consensual sex with the perpetrator. I will not repeat what he said, but suffice it to say that he grew more enraged by the minute, particularly as he felt cornered by the JW Survey editorial staff and the step-father of the victim.

    More recently the situation escalated when Skittles began commenting with heated criticism of my recent JW Survey article, the subject of which was the 2015 Survey results. He quickly lost control and did not agree with our replies or our defense of the Survey, and his comments became extremely volatile and ad-hominem, at which point he was in violation of our site rules, and I blocked him.

    I have no problem at all with anyone disagreeing with an article or the Survey. One person commented about the bias of the Survey, and my reply was essentially that of course the Survey is biased, in the sense that we already know that we will not get results from the most hard-core Witnesses in the organization. However we do get survey results from active Witnesses, as we have for many years. If someone does not want to believe or accept the results, or even my analysis of those results, they are free to disagree, and they will not be blocked.

    Since I have been involved we have only had to block a very small handful of persons who became extremely aggressive, and lost control of their ability to be objective and carry on a civilized discussion. This is what happened with Skittles, and he was blocked. Once this happened he became even more enraged and proceeded to post here as well as Reddit - at which point Cedars/Lloyd became aware of the situation and engaged him directly. It became clear that his hate was directed at Cedars, despite Lloyd having nothing to do with this.

    At the end of the day, he was allowed to comment many times on both articles, but he simply was not satisfied with the responses and lost control. On the Reddit post, he went so far as to suggest that if he could, he would chase Lloyd down at his book signing if he did not live so far away. Then a second person who lives closer to the location chimed in that he wanted to go himself. All of this was clearly threatening, and it is not the first time Lloyd received such threats.

    I have seen a number of comments on this post which are false, incendiary, and suggest that Lloyd desires to be some sort of cult leader. This of course is the furthest thing from the truth, and frankly most of the comments I have heard of this nature are from very angry persons who are simply stirring the pot instead of helping people escape from the Watchtower organization. If you don't like something Lloyd said to you or the manner in which he said it - then that's your business; we are not all going to agree on everything, from politics to religion. The one thing most of us have in common is that we managed to escape the Watchtower organization -so let's focus on that instead of attacking one another.

    In summation - we found out very quickly what type of person we were dealing with and had to block that person, and I am sure most editors would have done the same thing. Turns out - we were right, as you can see from the comment from this individual accusing Lloyd of being an "ego-maniac" with a "Trump complex" - and someone who wishes to single handedly bring down the organization. Anyone who knows him is aware this is not the case. We must all work together to end undue influence in its many forms, so my advice to those who wish to perpetuate their anger is to remember who the real enemy is, and find a way to help people instead of wasting time arguing on web sites or Facebook or elsewhere. Life is too short for that. So find a way to contribute - create a website, write letters to politicians and charity commissions, contribute to organizations who are making a difference.

    Either way we need to decide what to do and make our time productive. So if you are done with the JW organization and you don't want to help an activist, then find a different cause or charity or hobby - you will be a happier person for it.

    For anyone desiring clarification of my comments, I can be reached on the contact email address posted on the JW Survey site. I wish you all happy holidays and a happy new year.

    John Redwood

  • skittles
    skittles

    John Redwoods comment pretty much summarize how jwsurvey.org works

    Please provide the comments where I felt cornered by you or the step father of the girl.

    Please provide where you warned me that I would be blocked for breaking posting rules and which rules I broke.

    Please provide where I demanded that unsubstantiated facts should be included in your articles, when in reality I only argued that the assumptions made by covert fades article were baseless.

    Please provide the comments that prove that I lost the ability to have a civilized conversation.

    Please explain where I made false comments

    Also, explain why on your website when another poster asked about me being blocked you claimed it was your software and you didn't personally do it.

    And it is Lloyd's website so he needs to take accountability for what goes on with it.

    But you won't respond to this, because you have no response. You can't say with a straight face that my comments were uncalled for and deserving of deletion because the real reason is simply because I am not a fanboy of you and your website.

    And for anyone reading this, take note of the way he uses language like, "remember who the real enemy is" is language that incites people to think with emotion and not logic or reasoning. I am not against the organization because they're my enemy, I am against any person or organization that tells me I have to think how they tell me to think and if I don't then they'll cut me off and proceed to slander my character with absolute perversions of the truth. If Lloyd, covert fade, or John Redwood truly want to speak like they are morally superior to the organization then they better act it.

    On the reddit page Lloyd provided a pdf of the comments I made on his website. You read them and judge for yourself if I was simply raising points of criticism and skepticism or if I was being belligerent. And then ask yourself if you can trust anything that comes from a website that is so petty and insecure that they'll censor comments from one single commenter that is just simply asking them for clarification or questioning the veracity of their writing

  • joe134cd
    joe134cd

    Very well said John.

  • Simon
    Simon
    Unsure as to whether I will be meeting Lloyd Evans or not. You can see the conversation by following either Cedars @cedarsjwsurvey or myself @undubbed
    I won't be giving a running commentary about this, we either meet or we don't.

    I can think of better things to do with my time ... do people still have CD collections to sort out? Ours always had the wrong CDs put back in the wrong cases. Not naming names or appointing blame, but it wasn't me, honest ...

    John Redwoods comment pretty much summarize how jwsurvey.org works ...

    and this is why we don't encourage people bringing his shit over here, because it takes over.

    We don't need anymore topics starting and we don't need this continuing. It's not what we're here for.

  • John Redwood
    John Redwood

    Thanks joe134cd

    I think there is a lesson here for all of us. We need to work together, whether we are believers, unbelievers, activists or simply persons who are grateful that we have been able to escape the organization. We may not always agree at times, but we need to accept our differences and move on. It's important to show respect to one another, and not carry our differences out into the internet and slander one another when we disagree.

    This post (OP) is the perfect example of how not to behave. We will not engage further with the poster since we already answered his questions several times, and he is simply not satisfied. So be it.

    It's also not fair to disrupt this web site by posting information which has nothing to do with the fine work being done on JWN. I am friends with several of the authors on this site, and when I have the opportunity I really enjoy reading the articles. Truth is, no one wants to waste time with such negativity. It also does quite a bit of damage to persons who are looking for answers and may be trapped inside the JW organization. When they see this, they are easily scared off. This is one reason we are forced to moderate comments on JW Survey, as we care about those JWs reading the articles, and we certainly don't want them frightened away by inconsiderate behavior. I am quite sure the same is true here at JWN and other sites.

    So thank you to JWN, to Reddit (EXJW), JW Facts, and the dozens of other sites and YouTube channels who continue to make a positive contribution to activism in our global community. We are making great strides, and the best is yet to come.

    Sincerely,

    JR

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