Science News article: ‘Case closed’: 99.9% of scientists agree climate emergency caused by humans
by Disillusioned JW 146 Replies latest social current
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DATA-DOG
Yep. We are all doomed. That’s why Elite Democrats are still buying Ocean front properties.
DD
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DATA-DOG
Consider this: There’s no such thing as “Green” unless we go back to the Stone Age and refuse to chop down trees for spear shafts, or for making fire.
Also, there isn’t enough material on the planet to make batteries for everyone to drive Electric vehicles, and that’s not even taking into account the frames for the vehicles and how they are manufactured, the rubber for the tires, any steel cables for shifting or aluminum for rims, or the manufacturing of tire pumps, fix a flat, Helmets, ect.
Theres no such thing a “Green” or “Carbon Neutral.”
DD
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Disillusioned JW
Correction: When I wrote about my sources regarding the effects of an extremely rapid rate of climate change I now think I was incorrect to say I learned that in science books about paleontology and evolution. But I think I did learn about in some other science book. I also did learn about it in science shows on television.
In some science books about paleontology and evolution I did read about humans having caused much environmental damage (including much pollution) and having caused extinctions of a number of species.
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Disillusioned JW
Maybe the Elite Democrats who are still buying Ocean front properties are doing so in order to sell them later at nice big profits to elite Republicans who very strongly disbelieve in climate change and its dangers.
After all, if the prices of such properties are going up at a strong percentage rate while about 1/2 (or so) of the USA population is not concerned about climate change, why not buy them for later resale at big profits?
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Disillusioned JW
I think DATA-DOG might be correct in saying there is not enough material to make all of the items he lists in regards to cars for everyone. For me, though that (not just in regards to cars, but for most other products also) is a great reason for the world economy to shift away from reliance upon the manufacture and purchase of enormous amounts of items. If what DATA-DOG said is correct, then capitalism (at least on the massive scale it has been for centuries) is unsustainable in the long run. In the long run it can't continue at an exponential growth rate - unless perhaps humanity spreads out to other worlds (and thus gains excess to the resources of those worlds).
Human society needs to greatly moderate its desire to buy much more things, and instead learn to be satisfied with using their existing things for much longer. Likewise things need to be manufactured to last far longer than they currently do. In nearly all countries far more discarded products need to be recycled (Germany is an exception to this, since a number of people who have visited Germany told me that Germany recycles everything).
The vast majority of the items I buy are things I bought used. I did that because I am thrifty, but it also has the advantage of making my use of natural resources (except of course for food and water) far less than would otherwise be the case.
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Disillusioned JW
NonCoinCollector it is great that every day (or nearly every day) that you ride one of your electric bikes. For awhile I used an electric scooter (the small standup kind, but mine had an optional bicycle style seat) until the battery pack no longer could hold a charge. I also have a bicycle that I bought as a teenager, but I rarely ride it because I quickly get tired when pedaling it up inclines - even very mild inclines. I use public transportation combined with walking up 20 minutes per trip to get around.
For awhile (roughly form 2002 - 2006) I ran my own home based business which sold items on the internet. For a number of years it primarily sold photovoltaic modules/panels (solar electric power modules/panels), primarily on eBay. [It also sold used electronics and later it shifted to used books, items which I bought from thrift stores.] I chose that line of business (solar) became of my environmentalism. I stopped it when I no longer could be price competitive in the online marketplace.
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road to nowhere
"I also have a bicycle that I bought as a teenager, but I rarely ride it because I quickly get tired when pedaling it up inclines - even very mild inclines. I use public transportation combined with walking up 20 minutes per trip to get around."
Wait until you get older. Most of the things we have that make life possible and enjoyable are a result of the industrial revolution. The belief that you will be ever young and have magical stuff is in the realm of the JWs belief.
Do not call us rabid right either. Politics is a cube with points all over the place. Are you a rabid leftist?
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punkofnice
DD- Yep. We are all doomed. That’s why Elite Democrats are still buying Ocean front properties.
True say.
Like those nutters that glue themselves to the road here in the UK. They roll up in their gas guzzling SUVs. Use all the latest tech by way of phones and watches. Many are Daddy's little rich kid or some retired Middle class prick with nothing better to do. These wazzoks are fakes. Why don't they glue themselves to the roads in China or India?
If they really believed the crap they spew, they'd be living in caves and not luxuriating in modern tech they claim is to blame.
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Disillusioned JW
road to nowhere, I know that most "of the things we have that make life possible and enjoyable are a result of the industrial revolution", but I also know that that same industrial revolution is also creating enormous problems and that it (in combination with other factors) will eventually bring about the end of humanity unless humanity makes big changes before it is too late.
As far as getting older goes, I'm over 50 and I am well aware of my body showing signs of aging and that depresses me. I am a a convinced atheist and thus I know I will not live forever. Often times when I think about the fact I will die and never be resurrected that depresses me. My father's parents (JWs) died decades ago, my father (a JW) died about 20 years ago (he was about 20 years older than my JW mom). A few years ago my mother's step-father (a JW) got dementia (and had to be put in a nursing home) and later he died. Later my mother's mother (a JW) started acting bizarre and had to be put in a nursing home and later died (but at age 94). My mom (a JW) has major health problems and had cataracts removed from both eyes and received artificial lenses to replace her corneas and/or natural lenses and her eyesight is now poor. My sister (nearly my age and a JW and who never got married) has major health problems and lives with my mom.
I now have venous insufficiency in my legs and spider veins. My vision recently started going very bad (I think I have cataracts) such that on some days my bifocal glasses don't help much in reading fine print. I began getting grey hair in my early 40s. Starting about 1 or 2 years ago it became visible to me that my skin is not as elastic as it was prior to then. About 5 years years ago freckles (sun spots) appeared on my face due to exposure to UV rays of sunlight. [But thankfully so far regarding most bodily matters my health is still in excellent condition.] About 12 years ago I got an abscess in my face and neck as a result of a tooth infection and I had to go to ER at the hospital. If I hadn't gone to ER (and if modern medical knowledge and medicine didn't exist) I would have died within a week or so. My teeth are getting ground down. My memory ability doesn't seem to be good as it used be. I thus don't have any rosy expectations about living forever, or having excellent health during all of my remaining years of life.
I don't have nearly enough money saved up for retirement, despite my efforts since age 18 to accumulate wealth quickly (through saving and stock market investing/trading) so I could quit working early in life. That has me very concerned.
When people make posts bashing Democrat politicians (and Democrats in general and liberals in general), bashing progressive ideas, saying climate change is nonsense, praising Trump despite the harsh rhetoric he made about others), etc. doesn't that indicate they have far right political views? As for being "rabid", I didn't refer to them by using that word. I also didn't say every one (not even every conservative person) on this site is far right wing, only that many people on this site and that most who created certain forum topics on this site are such. Furthermore, I did not specify (at least as far as I recall) by user name those who I think are far right wing.
As for your question of am I a "rabid leftist" I am not literally rabid, but I have made posts saying I am a far left person who approves of some democratic socialist (and social democrat) ideas and who voted for Bernie Sanders and other far left political candidates (including a hardcore Socialist who ran as a Green Party candidate for a statewide office).