deegee I would have thought that subverting the family structure to make it more egalitarian would help to overcome the issues you link to above and contribute to safe, stable, nurturing relationships and environments much more than a hierarchical family structure in which the father's word would be law and a child be seen and not heard while women would need to be submissive to the head of the household.
God expresses his perplexity at his own creation
by slimboyfat 36 Replies latest watchtower bible
-
-
deegee
Ruby456,
If subverting the family structure creates the Essentials for Childhood - assuring, safe, stable, nurturing relationships and environments - then I am all for it as long as it does not lead to an adverse environment which can have lasting consequences for children’s mental & physical health and development.
-
slimboyfat
Capitalism, democracy and feminism have all been highly disruptive of family structures. The trouble with reality is that causes and effects are mixed in their desirability. As Dylan Thomas said: "the force that through the green fuse drives the flower, drives my green age, that blasts the roots of trees is my destroyer." The complicated and disturbing thing about the world is that the same things that bring good also bring destruction. Which is why ideology disappoints, whether that be Maoism, or capitalism or even democracy. Which in turn why Rortian pragmatism is so valuable, with its appreciation for irony and contingency.
-
cofty
Except Jesus said nothing about a more egalitarian family structure. He said his followers were unworthy unless they hated their parents and siblings.
This of course is deeply embarrasing so theologians like Zizek make up bullshit influenced by communist ideology.
-
Diogenesister
Cofty P.S. What is wrong with Zizek?
Yes it's most distracting.
People on doses of codeine based opiates behave like this.
-
deegee
Except Jesus said nothing about a more egalitarian family structure. He said his followers were unworthy unless they hated their parents and siblings.
This of course is deeply embarrasing so theologians like Zizek make up bullshit influenced by communist ideology-------CoftyEverybody reinterprets Jesus' sayings to make him not look like the cult leader that he was. The truth is, Jesus was anti-family: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5768031571542016/jesus-christ-anti-family
He was not a supporter of family values - Jesus, his disciples, nuns, monks, Catholic priests and the Shakers (who are now extinct) all demonstrate exactly what Jesus meant when it comes to family by the way they live(d) their lives.
-
slimboyfat
I don't think Zizek said anything about a more egalitarian family structure either. Zizek isn't a theologian, he's a philosopher and an atheist. And you haven't watched much of the interview, it seems. It's difficult to discuss a topic with someone who feels that ignorance of the topic is a virtue.
-
Ruby456
I'm talking about independent living and I think Zizek's Jesus is too.
-
deegee
Capitalism has been highly disruptive of family structures------SBF redacted
Agreed. It is said that the hunter-gatherers provided (Pygmies still exist) the best supportive environment for families to thrive.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AaAJQR_9Dg8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=erZhTPkOLb0
-
slimboyfat
I don't know. I think Jesus was just saying that being his follower was more important than anything else. This, if followed, has dramatic social consequences, but these appear to be incidental rather than the the goal. So many lives altered, as with JWs, not as the main goal, but as a byproduct.