False members numbers

by asp59 42 Replies latest jw experiences

  • WTWizard

    It is quite blatant. They are pushing for numbers--how many of those are nothing more than fake time slips? And, I wonder how many are turned in under duress.

    Then you have a group that, according to their own theology, is going through the motions and yet will be destroyed at Armageddon for "secret sin". Some can be turning in quite impressive numbers in field circus, they can be quite regular at the boasting sessions, yet not believe anything and only grudgingly obey some or all the rules. If they donate, they do so grudgingly and often stint. Or you have the group that seems to be doing quite nicely, yet they are only seeking to oppress others in the congregation. Such as those who have little groups that they pretend to be Jews in ancient Israel, with themselves playing God. Are these going to be destroyed at Armageddon, according to washtowel's own theology?

    Perhaps if you only include those who are on the right track, and would survive under washtowel theology, in the numbers, you would find well under a million. And, of these, most would be those recently baptized--once you do this grind for a few years, you are going to lose genuine interest quite soon.

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    ''It is quite blatant. They are pushing for numbers--how many of those are nothing more than fake time slips? And, I wonder how many are turned in under duress''

    Slips are turned in because of pressure and guilt. Works really well.

  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    Since we're on the subject of Jehovah’s Witnesses & their membership...I found these figures rather revealing:

    The Jehovah’s Witnesses organization has a rather weak membership in the United States considering they're based in the U.S....of their total number of 8,424,100 worldwide a meager 1,210,950 (14%) are in the U.S. However in South America, where poverty is widespread, including Mexico there are 2,610,564 (31%) Jehovah’s Witnesses. The African Continent, considered the poorest Continent on earth, has 1,641,764 (20%) Jehovah’s Witnesses. In breaking down the percentages of Jehovah’s Witnesses...I'm finding that a very high number of JWs live in the poorest countries.

    My question is: How much longer can the JWs in the U.S. (14%) carry the financial burdens of the the rest of JWs (75% to 80%) who live in the poorest countries of the world?

  • BluesBrother

    SBF gave a good comment as usual. At the moment it is hard to judge because of the KH lockdown and pause in H to H Ministry.

    The thing will be when the real meetings resume and ministry is expected. That will tell the state of things.

  • smiddy3

    Just think though if they do have anywhere near 8 million members who only donate $1 a week that is $ 8 million dollars per week ,not bad eh ?

    Multiply that by 52 weeks in a year ? No wonder the GB and their wives don`t want to give up their lifestyle.

  • jhine

    Good point Smiddy , how much of that goes on building maintenance , printing etc .


  • joe134cd

    This is completely anecdotal. Based on similar type organisations. The JWs PIMI rate would be at a minimum of 3-4 million members. I suspect it is a lot higher than that. Also bear in mind no one knows for sure what the POMI rate is either, which could boost numbers . I have this feeling that those that fit the definition of PIMO would be no higher than 15%, and that’s been very optimistic. The trouble is that 15% get on the internet and cause watchtower 90% of its problems. I think if it got into the realms, like some have suggested, of 30-40% the org would just claps.

    I know everyone likes to quote the “pew,2/3” thing. But as has been demonstrated this falls woefully short of the mark. There are certainly other organisations that are taking bigger hits. It could be that they are better at hiding it. How bad / good are they doing. I could argue both ways.

  • slimboyfat

    An internal Church of England report estimated the church may lose 20% of worshippers attending as it emerges from the pandemic. Attendance was already in steep decline before the pandemic struck.



  • joe134cd

    Slim boy : I remember John Dehlin, from Mormon stories podcast ( the equivalent Lloyd Evans in JWland) saying that it was the “Mormon birth rate of 3 children per family that was stopping the Mormon membership from free fall in the US.” If this is true. Then JWs losing 2/3 of their youth while still holding its membership in the USA is certainly impressive. My God that is just off the charts.

  • asp59

    You wanna be impressed and of the charts information. This artical. Keeping young ones in the org by telling them they gonna be abandon by family if they leave, maeby keeps numbers afloat. Or even a little 0,01 plus. But if you wanna have real increase. Do what muslims do, have lots of children. But its not only that, lots people in western world are converting to Islam.


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