Austria Begins Closing Mosques and Deporting Imams

by cofty 69 Replies latest social current

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  LoveUniHateExams

  The problem is that if centrist parties refuse to deal the problem of Islam's refusal to live in the West according to Western standards of social freedom the far-right will flourish - yes, this is happening across Europe, it seems.

  Not only in Austria but also in Italy, The Netherlands, Germany, Sweden ...

  Ich auch. Ich habe in den letzten zwei Jahren für eine österreichische Firma gearbeitet und spreche wöchentlich mit ihnen. (Deshalb musste ich plötzlich Deutsch lernen....es macht die Dinge einfacher.)

  Ich möchte den Namen nicht in einem öffentlichen Forum geben, sondern würde es Ihnen privat mitteilen, wenn Sie interessiert sind - @SBF verstehst du Deutsch? Wenn nicht ...

  English: "Me too. I've been working for an Austrian company these last two years and speak with them every week. (So I've had to suddenly learn German ... it makes things easier.)

  I don't want to give the company's name on a public forum but pm me if you're interested."

  ^^^ it's a very loose translation ... my German's very rusty! XD ^^^
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  slimboyfat

  Good luck learning proper German from Austrians. ;-)

  My experience of Austrians is that they are a bit insular and have long been, for want of a milder word, just a little bit more racist than we are accustomed to in the United Kingdom. I was told a number of times in the early 2000s by Austrians that, although I was a foreigner, I was an alright foreigner because I’m not dark. (Du bist nicht dunkel) This was stated as a matter of fact without fhe idea that the sentiment should be problematic. So my point is that I don’t think the refugee crisis has changed opinion much in Austria. They were sceptical about refugees from the start.

  As for the Turkish population and mosques and so on. I think it’s just that the Turkish minority has reached a certain level that makes some white Austrians feel uncomfortable, and right wing politicians are exploiting that. From what I’ve seen the Turkish minority is long established and were well on the way to finding their own fit within Austrian society. These laws that target mosques and make them feel unwelcome are not going to help that process. Unfortunately alienation and discord is exactly what the right wing politicians are hoping to achieve. So who knows how this will play out.
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  LoveUniHateExams

  I think it’s just that the Turkish minority has reached a certain level that makes some white Austrians feel uncomfortable, and right wing politicians are exploiting that - yes, I think this is partly it.

  But I think Frau Merkel must take some blame, too.

  She unilaterally decided to invite masses of refugees into Europe, without bothering to consult with the German public or with other European leaders.

  Her recklessness has obviously caused problems in Germany ... it's also caused issues for citizens of other countries, including Austria, I guess. She loves asylum seekers that much.

  
  

  Good luck learning proper German from Austrians - surely most Austrians speak standard German as well as their local dialect (Bavarian throughout most of the country but I think they speak Alemannic in Vorarlberg).
  
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  TheWonderofYou

  Instead of sticking to the facts that

  A) a very extrem political splittergroup of the turkish nationalist youth party "Grey Wolves" known for greeting or saluting each other like all turkish nationalist with the "wolve" handsign (and for once attacking Pope John Paul II with a bullet) influenced people in the "mosque" in a basement. However this group splitterted from the orginals because they were yet to tolerate. Here in Vienna little children began to salut with the wolve sign and so under suspicion that here extrem subversive ideas inmidest of Vienna were supported and influenced by this far right extremists, after the avtivity was tolerate over years, now the publicy preaching in the underground mosque was forbidden, however the association itself is not forbidden, they are normal citizens after all, haveing families, paying taxes and sucking icecreams.The people that visited the mosque are not persecuted at all. But they are protesting because they like their assembly room. Who only have some subversive messages in their heads, certainly pan-turkish dreams of pre-eminenc and dislike Kurds. It was the islamic community itself that reported this case to the authorities. = 1 mosque closed.

  
  

  http://www.vienna.at/wiener-moschee-am-antonsplatz-von-schliessung-geschockt/5816084
  

  B) The so called "arabic community" is dissolved. = 6 mosques, for salfast statements. Between the mulsim community the the arabic and muslim community is now an intensive legal battle over the subject who is saying what and who is right and they are blaming each other. The arabic community consists fo 1000 members from Egypt and Czechenia and they transmits the message of the Egyptian salafist.

  C) the third part of the story are the imams who get money from abroad and have no income in Austria are not allowed any more. It could be that 150 persons and families are concerned.

  instead of this the Turkish President uses this in his election battle and after calling this instantly discrimination, rassistic wave today goes so far to see a possible war between christians and muslims in Austria, (well knowing that only stupid ones in his country will believe such things and applause him for this courageous warning and loyality to his nation) verbally attacking the austrian councelor "You are responsible" and that he he is too joung to understand and should immediatly fastly withdraw this erring decision, Meanwhile the mosque associations in Austria conquer about leadership. These are critical times after all. Perhaps the next world war comes again from Europa and we are close to Armageddon and Erdogan changes his attitude conceringin Evolutiontheory or dicovery of America.
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  Simon

  People have had enough of the globalist elites making a mess of their countries.

  Now Italy is refusing to allow the NGO human smuggler coalition boats to enter port - oh, the humanity, how will all those Nigerians flee the war in Syria!
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  TheWonderofYou

  he global "community of values" is crumbling. ...trumb...p...ling,, Trump sabotaging G-7, the axis is broken too last days, lets see what values Trump can find together with Kim tomorrow. Will he save the world or will the Bilderberger remain in powerl?

  Funny finding:

  
  

  
  
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  slimboyfat

  The problem is that if centrist parties refuse to deal the problem of Islam's refusal to live in the West according to Western standards of social freedom the far-right will flourish - yes, this is happening across Europe, it seems.

  Right wing parties always warn that if we don’t listen to them then something even worse is coming behind them. But when we have a European government that is constructing laws to target Moslems, closing down Mosques, and marginalising 7% of their citizens, the calamity has already arrived. These actions should be resisted by all people who regard freedom and acceptance of other people as worthy values.
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  TheWonderofYou

  slimboyfat: "Right wing parties always warn". The calamity has arrived.

  In this special case the Austrian law against foreign financation and salafist or political parties from abroad has been adopted alread before the "right wing" parties took over the goverment 150 days ago. Its a common consense.

  It was fully excepted by all parties however some feared that Erdogan would misuse any harder pace as profit in his election campain.

  Futhermore in many cities in Austria any salafist propaganda is forbidden on streets like giving away free Qurans or salafsit "muslim faith-explanation-booklets" that are secretly supporting false qurans versions" in thei footnotes. There is a public awareness about this false dangerous way of Islam and false, dangerous footnotes in Qurans versions deriving from Egypt schools, who want to spread the false gospel in Europe.

  I often met such people making propaganda like JW with trolleys in the cities and their books and their beards some years ago in Austria. Now they are away from streets. Once I even saw a car with two guys wearing beards who even had a traffic sign entitled "The only true religion", this was / is a salafist movement from german guy who is active in Austria too.
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  slimboyfat

  Whereabouts? I stayed in the most Turkish area of Vienna - Margareten, and I never saw any propaganda on the streets. All I saw Turkish people selling was Profil or Kronen Zeitung.

  The government who enacted the anti-Islam laws was already centre/right, and attempted to dampen support for the Freedlm Party by adopting those positions. It didn’t work. You don’t put out a fire by pouring fuel on it. The Austrian government made refugees unwelcome from the very start and they are now exploiting the situation to target the longstanding Turkish community. This is a worrying develoment.

  The Green Party won the presidential election. I’d be astonished if they support the anti-Muslim laws. As for the Social Democrats, I don’t know.
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  TheWonderofYou

  In Margareten I once made my preparation courses for the civil service which I had to do after leaving JW.

  The Austrian laws are not "ANTI Islam laws". Austria doesnt want that turkish domestic politics is brought to Austria and makes conflics. Secondly the turkish imams have broken the law and looke for a model to get financed somehow over Belgium, as leasing personell. 62 imams + family 150 people each year had to apply for visa.

  The socialist party agrees: "The first clever idea of the new governemnt".. "Foreign financiation" is not allowed.