Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

by Alex Williams 79 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • GLTirebiter

    To understand these few verses, read them in context; read all of Matthew 24 and 25 together as a single, complete discourse. Recognize the central themes of the discourse: "So if they say to you, ‘He is in the desert,’ do not go out there; if they say, ‘He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it", "But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone", "Therefore, stay awake, for you know neither the day nor the hour", the final judgement, and salvation or damnation.

    To claim a few verses in the middle of this discourse were a prophecy of a "faithful and discrete slave" showing up nineteen centuries later is shoddy scholarship. Rather, the point is that you must choose whether to be a faithful servant or a wicked, dishonest servant, that you make the choice to be a sheep on the right or a goat on the left, and that by your behavior you are choosing eternal life or eternal punishment.

    Self-serving false prophets who use scripture to justify coveting a jeweled golden cup have chosen...poorly.

  • smiddy3

    Alex Williams , there were no Jehovah`s Witnesses in 1919 ,followers of Charles Taze Russell were known as belonging to the International Bible Students Association .I.B.S,A, and nothing they taught and preached back then is believed and taught by Jehovah`s Witnesses today.

    So if by some sleight of hand the I.B.S.A. were approved by God in 1919 as the Faithful And Discreet Slave class ,then Jesus/Jehovah would reject the Jehovah`s Witness religion today simply because they reject all of the beliefs the I.B.S.A. had in 1919.

  • notsurewheretogo

    1919 is based off 1914 which is based off 607 BCE as the destruction of Jerusalem.

    I think you will find that 607 is incorrect. It was 587/586. Thus, 1914 doesn't work and therefore neither does 1919.

    The whole house of cards falls down without its foundation and that foundation is built on an incorrect date.

    Anything else to discuss on this matter is futile.

  • nicolaou

    Alex, you made a big deal in your opening post about the neutrality of Jehovah's Witnesses during wartime as opposed to other religious groups who supported wartime operations.

    This past neutrality, touted as a morally superior position, appears hypocritical in the light of your total support for the oncoming War of all Wars - Armageddon! The War of the Great Day of God the Almighty!! If your beliefs are correct Alex, more people are going to be killed in this imminent war than in all previous wars combined.

    Can I hear your condemnation of this war? At the very least, would you proclaim your neutrality about it?

  • waton
    read all of Matthew 24 and 25 together as a single, complete discourse. Recognize the central themes of the discourse:
    a "faithful and discrete slave" showing up nineteen centuries later is shoddy scholarship.

    GLTb: Yes!, wt Inc, by declaring themselves to be the sole and unique F&DS, declared the Apostles all bible writers to be secondary, non-F&D servants compared to the 1919 NY newbies.and successors. and

    Since Armageddon by implication is included in these 2 chapters, and

    The anointed over- lappping generation has at its pinnacle the F&DS, aka Governing Body, and they will pass away,

    that is not what Jesus said. He: will not pass awy until--.

    So: Yeah, like some other religions, and atheistic pacifists, jws stayed our of the Army, the factories, but they were not unique in that.

    TWt is unique though, being both wrong about the past, and the future. not speaking for the God that can not lie, or err.

    Stick to simpler, meaningful tasks. to be the F,D, slave.

  • Introvert 2
    Introvert 2

    Alex, if you have a moment take a look at this or at the very least read the reviews. PS : As a convert I disassociated myself after 10 years in. The integrity and honesty I was looking for is simply not there, sorry.


    Take care

  • Introvert 2
    Introvert 2

    Here's a copy paste from Don Cameron :

    The basic approach "Captives of a Concept" takes is to compare two things about the Watchtower Society:

    (1) Their interpretation of Matthew 24:45-47 as explained in their book "God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached"
    (2) The organization's history that relates to their interpretation as explained in their book "Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom."

    "Captives of a Concept" doesn't try to show that their interpretation of Matthew 24:45-47 does not agree with the Bible. Rather, that it doesn't agree with what actually went on in the organization's history.

    The reason why it is so important to realize this fact is because the organization's claim to being "God's organization" today requires that their interpretation of Matthew 24:45-47 and their history agree with each other. But they don't agree.

    The reason why there are millions of Jehovah's Witnesses today is not because they all DID make the above comparison before they got baptized but rather because they all did NOT make it. The book refers to this fact as "The One Mistake All Jehovah's Witnesses Have Made."

    "Captives of a Concept" does not make this mistake. It very carefully makes the above comparison, which then makes it difficult to believe that God has ever had anything to do with the Watchtower Society.

    Once Raymond Franz finally made the above comparison (in 1979) He concluded the following: "It would be an insult to Christ Jesus to say that he selected the Society on the basis of what it had been teaching as of 1919."

    One would need to make the same comparison to appreciate why he felt that way.


  • notsurewheretogo

    Don Cameron's book "Captives to a Concept" is single-handlely the best resource to debunk that the GB are appointed by a "God".

  • ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara

    Who really is the F n D slave?

    A bunch of old farts!


  • Finkelstein

    The WTS self identified themselves as the spoken about FDSL but they cant be since they have been preaching a tainted commercialized version of the Gospel of Jesus, an activity Jesus even condemned regarding setting dates and times.

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