Where is the evidence

by KGB 90 Replies latest jw friends

  • seedy3
    seedy3

    I forget who it was that posted this story, but this really fits in here so I am going to repost it. It really makes as much sence as the belief in an invisable god.

    This morning there was a knock at my door. When I answered the door I found a well groomed, nicely dressed couple. The man spoke first:

    "Hi! I'm John, and this is Mary."

    Mary: "Hi! We're here to invite you to come kiss Hank's ass with us."

    Me: "Pardon me?! What are you talking about? Who's Hank, and why would I want to kiss his ass?"

    John: "If you kiss Hank's ass, he'll give you a million dollars; and if you don't, he'll kick the shit out of you."

    Me: "What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?"

    John: "Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do what ever he wants, and what he wants is to give you a million dollars, but he can't until you kiss his ass."

    Me: "That doesn't make any sense. Why..."

    Mary: "Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million dollars? Isn't it worth a little kiss on the ass?"

    Me: "Well maybe, if it's legit, but..."

    John: "Then come kiss Hank's ass with us."

    Me: "Do you kiss Hank's ass often?"

    Mary: "Oh yes, all the time..."

    Me: "And has he given you a million dollars?"

    John: "Well no, you don't actually get the money until you leave town."

    Me: "So why don't you just leave town now?"

    Mary: "You can't leave until Hank tells you to, or you don't get the money, and he kicks the shit out of you."

    Me: "Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's ass, left town, and got the million dollars?"

    John: "My mother kissed Hank's ass for years. She left town last year, and I'm sure she got the money."

    Me: "Haven't you talked to her since then?"

    John: "Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it."

    Me: "So what makes you think he'll actually give you the money if you've never talked to anyone who got the money?"

    Mary: "Well, he gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you'll get a raise, maybe you'll win a small lotto, maybe you'll just find a twenty dollar bill on the street."

    Me: "What's that got to do with Hank?

    John: "Hank has certain connections.'"

    Me: "I'm sorry, but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game."

    John: "But it's a million dollars, can you really take the chance? And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass he'll kick the shit of you."

    Me: "Maybe if I could see Hank, talk to him, get the details straight from him..."

    Mary: "No one sees Hank, no one talks to Hank."

    Me: "Then how do you kiss his ass?"

    John: "Sometimes we just blow him a kiss, and think of his ass. Other times we kiss Karl's ass, and he passes it on."

    Me: "Who's Karl?"

    Mary: "A friend of ours. He's the one who taught us all about kissing Hank's ass. All we had to do was take him out to dinner a few times."

    Me: "And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that Hank wanted you to kiss his ass, and that Hank would reward you?"

    John: "Oh no! Karl's got a letter Hank sent him years ago explaining the whole thing. Here's a copy; see for yourself."

    John handed me a photocopy of a handwritten memo on From the desk of Karl letterhead. There were eleven items listed:

    1.Kiss Hank's ass and he'll give you a million
    dollars when you leave town.
    2.Use alcohol in moderation.
    3.Kick the shit out of people who aren't like
    you.
    4.Eat right.
    5.Hank dictated this list himself.
    6.The moon is made of green cheese.
    7.Everything Hank says is right.
    8.Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.
    9.Don't drink.
    10.Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments.
    11.Kiss Hank's ass or he'll kick the shit out of
    you.

    Me: "This would appear to be written on Karl's letterhead."

    Mary: "Hank didn't have any paper."

    Me: "I have a hunch that if we checked we'd find this is Karl's handwriting."

    John: "Of course, Hank dictated it."

    Me: "I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?"

    Mary: "Not now, but years ago he would talk to some people."

    Me: "I thought you said he was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist kicks the shit out of people just because they're different?"

    Mary: "It's what Hank wants, and Hank's always right."

    Me: "How do you figure that?"

    Mary: "Item 7 says Everything Hanks says is right.' That's good enough for me!"

    Me: "Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up."

    John: "No way! Item 5 says Hank dictated this list himself.' Besides, item 2 says Use alcohol in moderation,' Item 4 says Eat right,' and item 8 says Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.' Everyone knows those things are right, so the rest must be true, too."

    Me: "But 9 says Don't Drink,' which doesn't quite go with item 2, and 6 says The moon is made of green cheese,' which is just plain wrong."

    John: "There's no contradiction between 9 and 2, 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you've never been to the moon, so you can't say for sure."

    Me: "Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock..."

    Mary: "But they don't know if the rock came from the Earth, or from out of space, so it could just as easily be green cheese."

    Me: "I'm not really an expert, but I think the theory that the Moon came from the Earth has been discounted. Besides, not knowing where the rock came from doesn't make it cheese."

    John: "Aha! You just admitted that scientists make mistakes, but we know Hank is always right!"

    Me: "We do?"

    Mary: "Of course we do, Item 5 says so."

    Me: "You're saying Hank's always right because the list says so, the list is right because Hank dictated it, and we know that Hank dictated it because the list says so. That's circular logic, no different than saying Hank's right
    because he says he's right.'"

    John: "Now you're getting it! It's so rewarding to see someone come around to Hank's way of thinking."

    Me: "But...oh, never mind. What's the deal with wieners?"

    Mary blushes. John says: "Wieners, in buns, no condiments. It's Hank's way. Anything else is wrong."

    Me: "What if I don't have a bun?"

    John: "No bun, no wiener. A wiener without a bun is wrong."

    Me: "No relish? No Mustard?"

    Mary looks positively stricken. John shouts: "There's no need for such language! Condiments of any kind are wrong!"

    Me: "So a big pile of sauerkraut with some wieners chopped up in it would be out of the question?"

    Mary sticks her fingers in her ears: "I am not listening to this. La la la, la la, la la la."

    John: "That's disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat that..."

    Me: "It's good! I eat it all the time."

    Mary faints. John catches her: "Well, if I'd known you where one of those I wouldn't have wasted my time. When Hank kicks the shit out of you I'll be there, counting my money and laughing. I'll kiss Hank's ass for you, you bunless cut-wienered kraut-eater."

    With this, John dragged Mary to their waiting car, and sped off.

  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    JT,

    ****we don;t party, smoke dope , get drunk, run women, etc- we are the same folks****

    Remind me not to come over to your house this weekend.

    Yeah Jt it is readily apparent that when the fundies don't have a answer to the hard question asked of them, they resort to 'your bad, your immoral, you love anal sex, blah blah blah........

    To me it display's the nature of the beast...in other words they are saying to themselves if not outwardly....if it wasn't for bible laws, for my religion, what woud deter me acting out all my desires.

    In fact many so called faithful, are such, just because they know how depraved they would be without the constraints put upon them by Jesus, Allah, or the gb.

    Danny

  • KGB
    KGB

    REM, JT, SEEDY3,

    Now thats the kind of replies I was looking for and thank you for your input. Maybe now I can understand more about why you do believe the way you do. I get tired of those who reply to post with things like "what are you doing asking questions here, I thought you left?" You know it doesn't matter who we are if we still believe in God or not we are all here to learn and to help but I think some get off on being jerks.

    But you guys are the ones who keep this board alive and healthy and I want to personally thank you for that. Some here think I am some kind of jerk and in all honesty I am really a pretty nice guy, I just don't like being stepped on as I am sure many here also don't care for it.

    Oh I hate the borg for there lies to me as I feel it utmost important my love and faith in God but I was having a hard time understanding how some could hate God or not believe in him. You have helped me in that. I still love my Lord and I will until I die because I look at it this way. What Jesus teaches is all about love and peace now when I die and there is no God then I know I lived a pretty good life anyways but if there is a GOD then Iknow that by following his laws and keeping my faith in him I will reap the benefit he has promised and I prefer to think that there is a life beyond this one and the thought of everlasting destruction scares the hell right out of me...Thank you once again...

  • seedy3
    seedy3
    What Jesus teaches is all about love and peace now when I die and there is no God then I know I lived a pretty good life anyways but if there is a GOD then Iknow that by following his laws and keeping my faith in him I will reap the benefit he has promised and I prefer to think that there is a life beyond this one and the thought of everlasting destruction scares the hell right out of me

    KGB Your welcome, and ya know most of us that are not beleivers try to live a good moral life when it comes to dealing with others. But we do not do it to satisfy an entity or dieity, we actually do it for ourselves and our fellow man. in the end if there is a God such as you beleive then I should hope he would see the reasoning that I used to say he didn't exist. But that is not a fear I have to keep me on the straight and narrow, I just know that in the end people will respect me for what I am and who I am, and not what God/dess I may have followed.

    Many religons through out history have held simular moral standards in the "do unto others" ideals that Jeudeo/Christinaity holds, It's not really christianity that makes people good people, it is the idea of you reap what you sow, and if you do evil or harm to another they too will do harm to you. It's actually considered respect, and even though I am not christian, I follow that simple rule.

    Seedy

  • shamus
    shamus
    NO ! when you insult me or my integrity which to be honest I think a few of you lack. I am goping to kick some crap right back at ya. If you was here at my face with your insults there would be some fist fighting going on.

    Again, it seems like you need some anger management courses, KGB. I don't know anyone who is normal that would have such a hissy fit over nothing. Good lord, don't be so silly. "Fist fighting?" You are acting like a three year old by your actions.

    And no, I don't enjoy talking of anal sex. If this forum bothers you that much, then just go bye bye. In the meantime, get some counselling about your anger at the characters typed out by god-knows-who on the internet.

    It's actually laughable that people get so upset over nothing.

    Remember: I was nice to you; you were nasty to me. Accept the consequences and stop having a hissy fit.

    Love, Shamus.

  • badolputtytat
    badolputtytat

    I apologize if I have offended.....but your rephrase make me look a little deeper. I dont think I "lost faith", I think I re-examined my own spirituality. Tore it all back down, and was scared to take anyone else's word for it. I now rely only on what I feel. That there is something greater, but perhaps not in the sense that religion teaches. The desire? instinct? to look to something higher. Perhaps a fear that we... simply end? Is it this, that makes humanity look for the dweller (whether it exists or not)?

    I dont know honestly. And perhaps I am only writing this for myself. I like to think of ourselves as something that will continue in another form.... God? THAT is the question man has sought the answer to since.......the beginning.

    jmo..........I know not what you were looking for......sorry.

  • larc
    larc

    KGB,

    I find some of your remarks to be highly offensive and UnChristian. I have never talked about anal sex or engaged in it. If you want to name names, by all means do so, but don't paint all of us with the same brush.

    You are a very angry man, which is not congruent with your beliefs. Just because we do not agree with your ideas, does not make us bad people.

    Your "righteous indignation" is neither Christ-like or appreciated. As an agnostic, I think I am more "Christian" than you are.

  • donkey
    donkey
    I thought that maybe there was some substantial evidence that someone knew that would show evidence in Gods non-existance

    .I take it that if you apply YOUR reasoning to other circumstances that you believe unicorns, fairies, pixies and goblins exist - afterall where is your proof that they don't? A ridiculous argument? Yes, but it's yours not mine.

    Saying stuff like "you guys used to believe" doesn't cut it...just because people used to believe in something doesn't make it right does it?

    Jack - of the it never ceases to amaze me how stupid belief requires followers to be.

  • gumby
    gumby

    I personally don't know what the hell to believe.

    I definately do not believe in the bible and it's hero's.......yet I cannot grasp the concept of evolution and chance......even over billions of years.

    Emotions to me are I guess are a spiritual thing and I have a hard time seeing invisable emotions being something that evolved. I see to much harmony in things and design. I also see the sceptics side of this that we and "things", adapt to surroundings which make everything seem harmonious to us that have adapted to it.

    I see design yet cannot contact the designer through crying and begging and pleading. Not even a whisper in my ear or an overpowering thought that I feel he gave me from him.........nothing.

    Did something make us then split? Why are they hidden?

    I suppose if we find life on other planets perhaps it could make evolution more believable without going through all the schooling of evolution.

    Gumby

  • avengers
    avengers
    Who created your very own eyes that enable you to physically see your surroundings ... that is, enable you to see God's marvelous creations? How about the ability to rationalize? How about our marvelous body, and all it's amazing functions?

    "our marvelous body" Do you mean Siamese twins, babies born with two heads, heart defects, braintumors, schizophrenia, Parkinsons disease.

    Is that enough proof that God doesn't exist or do you need more?

    I guess it depends on how you look at things. Some look around and see proof that there is a God.
    Others look around and find evidence to prove there isn't.

    Me? I haven't got a clue.

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