True or False did the Watchtower Corporation create false doctrines intentionally to enhance the proliferation of their own publications ?

by Finkelstein 83 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • cofty
    cofty
    Russell believed that Armageddon was a period of anarchy following the end of gentile times when socialistic labor would turn against capitalistic governance - Vienne

    This is such an important point that the vast majority of ex-JWs are unaware of. When I read Russell's books and WT articles I was amazed by the prominence of this political theme.

    Vienne thank you for your continued efforts to bring some facts to what is too often a polemic onslaught.

    I don't think the WT have ever knowingly published lies in order to sell books for financial gain as the title and OP suggests. I do know they have resorted to deceit to defend indefensible dogma. The leaders see themselves as custodians of "revealed truth" and they will justify anything in order to preserve it.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Lies might be a sharp distinctive way to describe the actions by some the WTS leaders, for example the repetitive usage 6000 years of mankind's existence by F Franz .

    To soften the wording lets call them unsupported hyped proclamations with no or little background support.

  • cofty
    cofty
    for example the repetitive usage 6000 years of mankind's existence

    Why are you calling this a "lie"?

    It's bullshit but they actually are ignorant enough to believe it to be true.

  • sparrowdown
    sparrowdown

    Can we move on from Russell he's not relevant to anyone anymore, current witnesses couldn't care less what he wrote or published. And frankly who is?

    The Life How did it Get Here book, the Trinity brochure, the Revelation Book all full of slyly worded twisted reasonings, logical fallacies, half truths, outright lies and out of context quotes. The purpose is not to sell books but to indoctrinate members. It's a bloody cult after all and a clever one at that.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    It's bullshit but they actually are ignorant enough to believe it to be true.

    Because Franz already picked up this concept by reading Russell's literature.

    He just reused it in 1941 and then again in the late 1960's.

    Call it bullshit if you will, I was just trying point out the conniving corruption that exists within the top leaders of the WTS and how they extolled their fear mongering tactics onto the general public.

    The purpose is not to sell books but to indoctrinate members. It's a bloody cult after all and a clever one at that.

    Agree Sparrowdown call it psychological trickery endeavored to allure and captivate the human consciousnesses, as well exploit human ignorance.

  • sparrowdown
    sparrowdown

    The thing with WT literature it's so convoluted it's almost impossible to read unless you''re already indoctrinated that's why there are seperate more topical subjects for the public and different reading section for the members.

    I don't think their goal was to simply proliferate the books as religious works in themselves because most of it goes into a cupboard or the garbage unread. Having said that WT have always loved to brag about the numbers of books printed and placed for the sake of providing proof to the claim that they are "blessed by Jehovah."

    So the mulitiude of books and mags tally would serve that purpose whether they were read or not. I think WT would prefer that anyone with half a critical thought in their head didn't read their religious claptrap.

  • cofty
    cofty
    Because Franz already picked up this concept by reading Russell's literature. He just reused it in 1941 and then again in the late 1960's.

    Yes but how does that make it a lie?

    Call it bullshit if you will...

    I was acknowledging that the claim that humans have only been around for 6000 years is bullshit.

  • sparrowdown
    sparrowdown

    As George Costanza said "If you believe it, it's not a lie."

    And I do believe Russell believed it. Poor deluded bastard.

  • vienne
    vienne

    Being wrong isn't corruption in and of itself. It may be stupidity, ignorance, or moronic, but its not corruption without bad motive. It's easy to attribute wrong motive, but it's much harder to prove. It is unethical to attribute a wrong motive when a more obvious and more neutral one exists. In this case, it's that they believed what they said.

    Earnest belief does not free one from responsibility for what they write or say. But when it comes to adherents, those who chose to believe, the final responsibility rests on them. If something seems irrational, it probably is. Few schools teach formal logic today. But you can educate yourself to spot logic flaws. If one feels deceived by the Watchtower, the fault is ultimately theirs. We are responsible for what we believe. We cannot remove or deflect that responsibility by pointing to someone else, no matter how wrong headed their claims may be.

    Another point to note is this: The phrase 'false doctrine' is common. It is also a bit of misdirection. Misleading, scripturally unfounded, illogical doctrines they may be. But they are truly doctrines. We should call them by a name that truly says what we mean. I'm not trying to create new phraseology, really. Intellectual abbreviations such as "false doctrine" can be useful shortcuts. But my personal preference is for a more exacting phraseology.

    Being hurt by the Watchtower does not give one license to make things up. As Dr. Schulz and I write we encounter that repeatedly in the work of others some of whom have academic credentials. "Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus" is a good working hypothesis when researching anything. If we or anyone on this board or another writer craft unfounded myth or suppose things without any evidence, we give grounds to reject both our work and us personally.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Thanks for you input Veinne

    Many of the doctrines the WTS created do not have strong support inherently on their own or from outside sources.

    Putting the WTS doctrines under scrutiny helps bring out the facts and establish an underling intentional motive.

    When a group of people are just single person creates certain doctrines of theology which are said by them to be profoundly truthful and accurate, there may be another alternative motive particularly when that person is the head editorial writer of a religious publishing house.

    Of course they may have had that freedom pressed upon them but we are also equally free to examine those doctrines to their viability.

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