Why the need for 144000 imperfect humans to Rule with Christ Jesus for 1000 years ? Is he incapable of ruling by himself ?

by smiddy 45 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • smiddy

    Does this make any sense whatsoever ? Isnt Jesus Christ the King ?why the need for 144000 king priests to help him ?

    Is he not up for the job? What imperfect leader of any Nation in the world has ever needed so many hangers on ?

    The WT excuse from years ago said something to the effect that the 144000 being human would more understand the needs and concerns of those on earth ? Jesus living as a human for 33 years wouldnt ?

    So these 144000 are going to rule with Jesus Christ as Kings and priests for a thousand years Rev.20:6

    So are we to understand that the 4000 years of Jehovah God dealing with his people the Israelites was a failure ?

    (maybe because he didnt have 144000 humans to help him ?)

    What are your thoughts about this question ?

  • Crazyguy

    The actual Greek scriptures at Revelations chapter 5:9-10 doesn't actually say they'll be kings, neither does any scripture in the New Testament. They are to reign as priests on the earth not rule over it. That what these scriptures actually say in Greek. This was in reference to I believe the scripture in Deuteronomy where is says " they will be a kingdom of priests ".

  • Muddy Waters
    Muddy Waters

    Haha, Smiddy! Love your post and questions! There was always something off about that 144,000 thing.... If Jesus had our "blueprints" as he was creating/helping create human beings, wouldn't you think that having all that intricate knowledge would give him a lot of insight into how we work..?

    And if he is so closely interested in us (".. and the things he was fond of were with the sons of men..."), then wouldn't Jesus watching us from heaven also help him to know what we humans are all about? After all, Satan and all his demons are supposed to know us pretty well, the way they craftily tempt us, etc. Or has Jesus been sleeping up there..?

    Don't-cha just love "Reasoning from the scriptures"..?? lol

  • waton

    one male virgin needs 144000 more to do it.

  • tepidpoultry
  • LoisLane looking for Superman
    LoisLane looking for Superman

    Great question! lol

    According to WT Jehovah had his perfect first born in heaven with him when he created everything... So, now this perfect virgin King Priest Christ.... He needs 144,000 lowly??? imperfect ones from the earth to help him pick out and choose who has been naughty and who has been nice??? Who to pick to stay (live) and who has to leave (die)?

    A little off topic. Have you ever had discussions about why certain ones were "picked" to rule with Jesus in heaven??? One of the areas I lived in was an older sister who became a Dub soon after she was married to an unbeliever. Shortly after that (in the 1950's) she professed to be of the anointed class. The reasoning going 'round was that Jesus needed help in searching hearts and so this sister was picked because she knew how hard it was to be a faithful Dub and reg pioneer for decades, along with all the struggles she had with an unbelieving mate.... And I believed it all (at the time). Makes, for total nonsense to me now.

  • Fisherman

    Great and thought provoking question. I figure that there is a nature to reality and variables that affect its balance. Why? It beats me. It is like, how could Satan convince myriads of angels. He must have had some poweful argument or why would they choose to commit suicide. Did Satan desire Eve the same way the angels later on came down to take females. The 144 although kings, are pictured as female, the bride of Christ, and sometime after the marriage, they should produce offspring. At some point in time things should add up giving mental satisfaction and understanding of why things where and are the way they are and make sense of everything.

  • anointed1

    That is very intelligent question, smiddy.

    Even in the unguided evolution process there is knowledge: “Life found the best way, through a billion-or-so years worth of experimentation, to keep DNA molecules alive.” (from The Selfish Gene, Richard Dawkins). Further, our DNA molecules seem to have “programmed” us to instinctively know what risks we should take to try to help our genes survive; those that didn’t, didn’t survive!

    If such superb knowledge is displayed in the material world, why do God and His only-begotten son require the help of 144000 humans?

    But the fact is that 'king priests" concept is originally a Sumerian one.

  • The Searcher
    The Searcher

    Good point, Smiddy!

    hp chap. 16 p. 158 pars. 23-24 A Government to Bring Earth-wide Peace - "However, those who will rule in God’s kingdom are very different from worldly rulers...........Under all sorts of trials and temptations, they have adhered to what is right and just. (and Christ didn't?) They gain God’s confidence, so can we not have confidence in them? (nope - on both counts) Also, their having been humans will enable them to understand and sympathize with us. (Wasn't Christ a human??????) They know what it means to be tired, worried, discouraged. They know the effort needed to become more patient, kind and merciful. (and Christ didn't????) And some of them were women; they understand the feelings and special needs of women on earth."

    (Hebrews 4:15,16) "For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tested in all respects as we have, but without sin. Let us, then, approach the throne (not 'thrones') of undeserved kindness with freeness of speech, so that we may receive mercy and find undeserved kindness to help us at the right time."

  • Diogenesister

    You are right it does say ON the earth crazyguy

    Rev. 5.9 and 10 "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth."

    New Living Translation
    And you have caused them to become a Kingdom of priests for our God. And they will reign on the earth."

    English Standard Version
    and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.”

    Berean Study Bible
    You have made them into a kingdom, priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth."

    Berean Literal Bible
    and You have made them a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth."

    New American Standard Bible
    "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth."

    King James Bible
    And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

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