Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-30-2017 WT Study (WHO IS LEADING) IN PARTS

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    BLONDIE’S COMMENTS YOU WILL NOT HEAR AT THE APRIL 30, 2017 WT Study (FEBRUARY 2017) (WHO IS LEADING)

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    OPENING COMMENTS

    Bolded and underlined are my way of emphasizing words the WTS uses to twist the

    meaning or add their info as if it is part of scripture.

    Such as “might” in the paragraph 1 question or “might have” in paragraph which leads to a conjecture by the WTS that is never found in the bible.

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    Who Is Leading God’s People Today?

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    Who Is Leading God’s People Today?

    “Remember those who are taking the lead among you.”—HEB. 13:7.

    SONGS: 123, 126

    CAN YOU EXPLAIN?

    In the first century and today, how have those taking the lead among God’s people been . . .

    • empowered by holy spirit?

    • assisted by angels?

    • guided by God’s Word?

      1, 2. After Jesus’ ascension to heaven, what might his apostles have wondered?

      JESUS’ apostles stood on the Mount of Olives, gazing at the sky. They had just seen their master and friend, Jesus, lifted up and obscured by a cloud. (Acts 1:9, 10) For some two years, Jesus had taught, encouraged, and led them. Now he was gone. What would they do?

      2 Jesus had given his followers a commission: “You will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the most distant part of the earth.” (Acts 1:8) How could they possibly complete that assignment? True, Jesus had assured them that they would soon receive holy spirit. (Acts 1:5) Still, an international preaching campaign required direction and organization. To direct and organize his people in ancient times, Jehovah used visible representatives. Hence, the apostles might have wondered, ‘Will Jehovah now appoint a new leader?’

      COMMENTS

      Why did Russell not see they had an international preaching campaign to do but rather he was only looking for the remaining ones of the anointed not to convert the rest of humankind living then? He felt that the rest of humankind would survive the end, that only religious, governmental, and commercial systems would cease to be.

      http://www.ctrussell.us/ctrussell.nsf/22284ee7f683acc9862566bd000b278c/50f4322a748f5aa9862564520083099b?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,1914

      STUDY XIII D622

      All this is in harmony with the Scriptural declaration that the Kingdom of God must first be set up before its influence and work will result in the complete destruction of "the powers that be" of "this present evil world"--political, financial, ecclesiastical--about the close of the "Times of the Gentiles," October A.D. 1914. Let us note some scriptures to this effect.

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    The beginning of the earthly phase of the Kingdom in the end of A.D. 1914 will, we understand, consist wholly of the resurrected holy ones of olden time--from John the Baptizer back to Abel--"Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and all the holy prophets." (Compare Matt. 11:11; Luke 13:28; Heb. 11:39,40.) While these ancient worthies will have neither part nor lot in the spiritual Kingdom, because not "called" thereto, that high or "heavenly calling" not being possible until after the ransom had been paid by our Lord Jesus, yet they will occupy a position of preferment above the world, having attested their faith and love during the reign of evil, in a manner approved of God. Thus they were prepared and proved worthy to be the earthly ministers and representatives of the spiritual Kingdom. In harmony with this it is written in the Psalms, as addressed to the Christ--"Instead of [being longer considered] thy fathers [they] shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes [chief ones, captains] in all the earth." Psa. 45:16

    These ancient worthies will be unlike the remainder of mankind, not alone in the fact that their trial is past while


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    the trial of the world in general will just be beginning; but they will be unlike them also in the fact that they will have attained the reward of their faithfulness--they will be perfect men, having completely restored to them all that was lost in Adam of mental and moral likeness to God, and perfection of physical powers. Thus they will not only be the "princes" or chiefs of earth (the earthly representatives of the Heavenly Kingdom--Christ and his Church), but they, individually, will be representatives of what all the willingly obedient may attain to under the New Covenant.

    3. (a) After Jesus’ ascension to heaven, what important decision did the faithful apostles make? (b) What will we consider in this article?

    3 Less than two weeks later, Jesus’ disciples consulted the Scriptures, prayed for divine direction, and chose Matthias to replace Judas Iscariot as the 12th apostle. (Acts 1:15-26) Why was this selection so important to them and to Jehovah? Matthias filled a vital organizational need. * Jesus had selected his apostles not merely to accompany him in his ministry but to play a crucial role among God’s people. What was that role, and how did Jehovah through Jesus equip them to fill it? What similar arrangement exists among God’s people today? And how can we “remember those who are taking the lead” among us, especially those who make up “the faithful and discreet slave”?—Heb. 13:7; Matt. 24:45.

    COMMENTS

    Cast lots….? What is that, did they believe god controlled how the lots (like dice) fell? Did they do that later? If not, why not?

    Did that “crucial role” mean “taking the lead” in actually going door to door and studying the bible with non-Christian individuals? How many elders did you actually see and/or hear going door to door; I saw many disappear with a MS to do “errands.” My husband was one of those MS, and he said they picked up dry cleaning, dropped off film to be developed/or picked up, had the car look at, etc. Not even with the pretense of witnessing like leaving a tract. Several of past GB if they actually turned time in, turned in time spent in giving talks, because there might be one non-jw in the audience, right?

    A VISIBLE BODY UNDER AN INVISIBLE LEADER

    4. What role did the apostles and other elders in Jerusalem play in the first century?

    4 At Pentecost 33 C.E., the apostles began to take the lead in the Christian congregation. On that occasion, “Peter stood up with the Eleven” and shared lifesaving truths with a large crowd of Jews and proselytes. (Acts 2:14, 15) Many of them became believers. Thereafter, these new Christians “continued devoting themselves to the teaching of the apostles.” (Acts 2:42) The apostles managed the financial resources of the congregation. (Acts 4:34, 35) They cared for the spiritual needs of God’s people, stating: “We will devote ourselves to prayer and to the ministry of the word.” (Acts 6:4) And they assigned experienced Christians to advance the evangelizing work in new territories. (Acts 8:14, 15) In time, other anointed elders joined the apostles in administering the affairs of the congregations. As a governing body, they gave direction to all the congregations.—Acts 15:2.

    COMMENTS

    *A small change from Acts 2:14,15 from the 1984 NWT, why capitalize Eleven? But Peter stood up with the eleven+

    Also note here and throughout, the WTS uses snippets of the scripture cited, so jws don’t miss the GB’s point, how many jws do you think look up the scripture at least using an i-pad? Or look up the ones only cited?

    1. Peter is not showing taking the lead in the door to door work or conducting a bible study with an individual but only giving a public talk.

    2. “teachings of the apostles” not the teachings of the Christ? Is the GB suggesting that their teachings are like the “teachings of the apostles” thus they don’t have to be those of the Christ?

    3. Except for handling monies for the Christian widows, where else does the bible speak of a large, coordinated handling of monies?

    4. So are the GB gathered praying for us and does “ministry of the word” mean actually humbling themselves going door to door and instructing individuals about God’s word?

    5. If they gave direction to all the congregations, why is there no indication of that other than in Acts 15. Where do we see Paul consulting with any GB (phrase not in the bible) when taking disciplinary action and sending out Timothy and counseling Peter?

    5, 6. (a) How did holy spirit empower the governing body? (See opening image.) (b) How did angels assist the governing body? (c) How did God’s Word guide the governing body?

    5 Christians in the first century recognized that the governing body was directed by Jehovah God through their Leader, Jesus. How could they be sure of this? First, holy spirit empowered the governing body. (John 16:13) Holy spirit was poured out on all anointed Christians, but it specifically enabled the apostles and other elders in Jerusalem to fulfill their role as overseers. For example, in 49 C.E., holy spirit guided the governing body to make a decision regarding the issue of circumcision. The congregations followed their direction and “continued to be made firm in the faith and to increase in number day by day.” (Acts 16:4, 5) The letter conveying that decision also reveals that the governing body manifested the fruitage of God’s spirit, including love and faith.—Acts 15:11, 25-29; Gal. 5:22, 23.

    COMMENTS

    It the phrase governing body were in the bible, the phrase in paragraph 5 would have quote marks around it, but there are no quote marks.

    Remember early Christians saw holy spirit poured out visibly with the light over the head, and later with powers like prophesying and speaking in languages unknown to them but understood by their audience, healing, etc. Did only the apostles, older men, have these signs? Phillip had 4 daughters that prophesied.

    What about Cornelius and his group? when I started to speak, the holy spirit fell on them just as it did also on us in the beginning.+

    Note that the phrase “just as it did also on us in the beginning” cited in Acts 11:13-18 references Acts 2:3,4. And tongues as if of fire became visible to them and were distributed, and one came to rest on each one of them, 4 and they all became filled with holy spirit+ and started to speak in different languages,* just as the spirit enabled them to speak.+

    Then that must have happened to Cornelius. Has that happened to any of the GB showing that they have received holy spirit?

    6 Second, angels assisted the governing body. Before Cornelius was baptized as the first uncircumcised Gentile Christian, an angel directed him to send for the apostle Peter. After Peter preached to Cornelius and his relatives, holy spirit was poured out on them, although the men had not been circumcised. This prompted the apostles and other brothers to submit to God’s will and accept uncircumcised Gentiles into the Christian congregation. (Acts 11:13-18) Moreover, angels actively promoted and accelerated the preaching work that the governing body was overseeing. (Acts 5:19, 20) Third, God’s Word guided the governing body. Whether they were settling doctrinal issues or they were giving organizational direction, those spirit-anointed elders were led by the Scriptures.—Acts 1:20-22; 15:15-20.

    COMMENTS

    So have any angels appeared to the GB of today or yesteryear even if just in a vision?

    http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/rutherford_spirit_meduim.htm

    Ken Raines says: Rutherford claimed the Holy Spirit was "removed" or "taken away" from the remnant in 1918. Thereafter, angels began teaching the "remnant" the truth. They did this by inaudibly transmitting information and Biblical interpretations into the remnant's minds. Here again is a few of his (Rutherford’s) statements on this:

    Surely the holy angels of Jehovah God,... are clothed with power to put questions in the minds of those on earth who are devoted to God. It is not necessary for us to know just how this is done, but there can be no doubt about the power of the deputies of the Lord. [4]

    ... the remnant are instructed by the angels of the Lord. The remnant do not hear audible sounds, because such is not necessary. Jehovah has provided his own good way to convey thoughts to the minds of his anointed ones.[5]

    ... Jehovah would employ his power through his angels to put in the minds of his servants to take the course that he would have them take.[6]

    God put it into the minds of his people to declare what constitutes Satan's organization and to serve notice upon each branch thereof.... Jehovah directs his own work, though we hear no audible voices. [7]

    4. Rutherford, J. F., Light book 1, 1930, p. 61, 62; The Watchtower, May 15, 1938, p. 157.

    5. Rutherford, J. F., Preparation, 1933, p. 64; The Watchtower, October 15, 1933, pp. 247-8; The Watchtower, September 15, 1938, p. 286.

    6. The Watchtower, November 1, 1937, p. 326, ¶14; 1938 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses, Daily Texts and Comments, February 15.

    7. The Watchtower, February 15, 1935, p. 54, ¶16; 1935 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses, Daily Texts and Comments, November 22. See further, Light, book 1, 1930, pp. 61-2, 120; The Watchtower, May 15, 1938, p. 157; 1931 Yearbook of the International Bible Students, Daily Texts and Comments, February 17.

    What is the proof that angels are promoting the preaching work? Note that in Acts 5:19,20, the angel appeared to humans, do angels appear to humans today to direct the preaching work?

    God’s word….what was God’s word in the first century, the canonized Hebrew scriptures that Jesus used, recorded words of Jesus (first NT book written in 61 CE, 28 years after Pentecost 33 C.E. Letters of Paul and the apostles, Peter, e.g., and others James, Jude, all appearing long after that and not yet officially considered products of the holy spirit. Many more letters were written than those that appeared in today’s NWT, who decided which ones were inspired?

    7. Why can we say that Jesus led the early Christians?

    7 Although that governing body had authority in the early congregation, they acknowledged that their Leader was Jesus. “He [Christ] gave some as apostles,” wrote the apostle Paul. “Let us by love grow up in all things into him who is the head, Christ.” (Eph. 4:11, 15) Instead of naming themselves after a prominent apostle, “the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.” (Acts 11:26) True, Paul acknowledged the importance of “holding fast the traditions,” or Scripturally based practices, given by the apostles and other men who took the lead. Nevertheless, he added: “But I want you to know that the head of every man [including every member of the governing body] is the Christ; . . . in turn, the head of the Christ is God.” (1 Cor. 11:2, 3) Yes, under his Head, Jehovah God, the invisible and glorified Christ Jesus was leading the congregation.

    COMMENTS

    I wonder how many jws know their history enough to be aware that the WTS taught that while Jesus was the head, the anointed were the body of the Christ, thus the Christ too?

    Quote
    The word Christ signifies anointed. Anointing means designation to official position in God’s arrangement. The Christ is the instrument or channel for the blessing of mankind. The Christ is composed of Jesus, the great and mighty head, and 144,000 members. --The Harp of God, 1921, p 187

    WT 5/1/09 ::R4390 : page 139::

    The tribe of Levi itself was divided, a priestly class being selected, and the remainder of the tribe assisting or serving under them. So in the antitype--a "little flock," a priestly class, is selected for the pre-eminent position and constitutes "Abraham's Seed" on the highest plane, the Divine nature. This class, The Christ, is composed of Jesus, the Head, and the Church, his members.

    WT 6/15/1911 R4841: page 189

    This Gospel Age is the time in which the Messiah is prepared. The Head of the Messiah, therefore, very properly, is first; and following Him the Apostles and all down through the Age the various members of the Body. This Age will end when the full number of the "elect" shall have been found and tested. Then the Body will have been completed. When The Messiah is complete, The Christ will be complete.

    WT 2/15/27 page 53

    "Seeing then that The Servant of Jehovah is The Christ, and that The Christ is composed of Jesus and the faithful members of his body, we find it proper to apply the term "Servant" to Jesus Christ alone or to Jesus Christ and the members of his body collectively as one; and sometimes it is applied only to the members of the body of Christ yet on earth."

    Does the WTS believe that “by divine providence” that Christians were renamed “Bible Students” in Russell’s time and again renamed “Jehovah’s witnesses” in Rutherford’s time. Why did God’s choice have to be changed?

    Can you think of any WTS traditions that are practiced that are not scripturally based?

    While Jesus may be the head of the GB, they are known as Jehovah’s witnesses not witnesses of Jesus as he himself said at Acts 1:8 or anywhere else in the NT.

    “THIS IS NOT MAN’S WORK”

    8, 9. Beginning in the late 19th century, what important role did Brother Russell play?

    8 In the late 19th century, Charles Taze Russell and some of his associates endeavored to reestablish true Christian worship. To help them disseminate Bible truth in various languages, Zion’s Watch Tower Tract Society was legally incorporated in 1884, with Brother Russell as president. * He was an outstanding student of the Bible, and he fearlessly exposed as false such doctrines as the Trinity and the immortality of the soul. He discerned that Christ would return invisibly and that “the appointed times of the nations” would end in 1914. (Luke 21:24) Brother Russell devoted his time, energy, and money unsparingly to share these truths with others. Clearly, at that pivotal time, Brother Russell was used by Jehovah and the head of the congregation.

    COMMENTS

    To date the WTS has not significantly changed their explanation of the Trinity and the immortality of the soul, but as to what ended in 1914….much has changed. Read the information here to see the timeline.

    http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

    Not “man’s work” by work done “at a pivotal time” “Russell was used by Jehovah and the head of the congregation (BL: evidently Jesus)

    9 Brother Russell did not seek glory from humans. In 1896, he wrote: “We want no homage, no reverence, for ourselves or our writings; nor do we wish to be called Reverend or Rabbi. Nor do we wish that any should be called by our name.” He later stated: “This is not man’s work.”

    COMMENTS

    It is open to debate whether Russell did not seek glory from humans, he certainly did not stop people from giving him glory as the faithful and discreet slave. While he was not called Reverent or Rabbit, he allowed himself to be called Pastor.

    This contradicts Watchtower December 1, 1919, p. 357 where the Watchtower states Russell did in fact claim to be the Faithful and Discreet slave. "Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell's writings believe that he filled the office of 'that faithful and wise servant,' and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation," (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1919, p. 357).

    10. (a) When did Jesus appoint “the faithful and discreet slave”? (b) Relate how the Governing Body has been progressively distinguished from the Watch Tower Society.

    10 In 1919, three years after Brother Russell’s death, Jesus appointed “the faithful and discreet slave.” For what purpose? To give his domestics “food at the proper time.” (Matt. 24:45) Even in those early years, a small group of anointed brothers who served at headquarters in Brooklyn, New York, prepared and distributed spiritual food to Jesus’ followers. The expression “governing body” began appearing in our publications in the 1940’s, when it was understood to be closely connected with the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. However, in 1971, the Governing Body was distinguished from the Watch Tower Society—a legal instrument rather than a Scriptural entityand its directors. The Governing Body henceforth included anointed brothers who were not Society directors. In recent years, responsible brothers of the “other sheep” have served as directors of the legal Society and of other corporations used by God’s people, thus allowing the Governing Body to focus on providing spiritual instruction and direction. (John 10:16; Acts 6:4) The July 15, 2013, issue of The Watchtower explained that “the faithful and discreet slave” is a small group of anointed brothers who make up the Governing Body.

    Picture: The governing body, 1950’s

    COMMENTS

    1919—FDS came into being by Christ’s appointment. Evidently no one before 1919 needed feeding.

    So there was/were not faithful and discreet slave prior to 1919, thus it was not Charles Taze Russell or any other anointed jw before then.

    1919 to 1940’s—no GB during that time within the WTS supposedly, but were considered the 7 board of directors of the WTS Corporation.

    1971—GB no longer part of the legal instrument WTS but Scriptural entity…although the phrase “governing body” never appears in the scriptures.

    Thus GB could include anointed brothers who were not just on the board of directors which limited the GB to 7 members with president in charge, last WTS president was Henschel. If you believe that the GB does not still have a hand in directing financial, etc., decisions, you don’t understand what is really important to them. 1971 started easing out one man controlling the WTS like Russell, Rutherford, and Knorr did.

    From the incorporation of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania in 1884 until 1972, the president of the Society exercised great authority in Jehovah's organization, while the Governing Body was closely associated with the Society's board of Directors." Watchtower 5-15-1997 p. 17

    "To give the Bible Students legal status, Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society was incorporated in 1884 in the United States, with headquarters in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Its directors served as a central Governing Body, overseeing the global preaching of God's Kingdom." Watchtower 2-1-1999 p.17

    7/15/2013 WT: FDS is only the small group of anointed jw brothers who have been selected by previous or current GB members.

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    Part 2

    11. How does the Governing Body function?

    11 The Governing Body makes important decisions collectively. How so? The members meet weekly, which fosters close communication and unity. (Prov. 20:18) Each year, they rotate chairmanship at those meetings, since no member of the Governing Body is considered to be more important than the other members. (1 Pet. 5:1) Each of the six committees of the Governing Body rotate chairmanship in the same way. And each member of that body views himself, not as the leader of his fellow brothers, but as one of the “domestics,” fed by the faithful slave and subject to its oversight.

    PICTURE: Since its appointment in 1919, the faithful slave has prepared spiritual food for God’s people (See paragraphs 10, 11)

    COMMENTS

    First, meeting once weekly is all it takes to foster close communication and unity? Why then do the rank and file jws need 5 meetings, 3 days weekly, besides meeting together to go door to door?

    Each year, they rotate the chairmanship….to prevent thinking one person more important than the other. Then why do they no longer rotate the COBOE position in individual congregations. Even COs are rotate every 3 years. Why only meet once a week…do they save up the problems to pray over to god; it doesn’t happen on Wednesday but the day after, do they wait till the next Wednesday?

    Are the members on the committees rotated to other committees or are some are on more than one committee?

    Not the leader but only the one leading? What is the difference. Ex-elders and current elders reading here, is that how it worked or works on your BOE? The COBOE doesn’t exert more influence and his cohorts or family? Domestics---lower themselves to the status of women in the WTS?

    “WHO REALLY IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?”

    12. Since the Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible, what questions arise?

    12 The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food. So how can we answer Jesus’ question: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” (Matt. 24:45) What evidence is there that the Governing Body is filling that role? Let us consider the same three factors that directed the governing body in the first century.

    COMMENTS

    Frist don’t be drawn into that there was a governing body in the first century….that phrase isn’t in the bible so is not scriptural just like the trinity cannot be scriptural because that word does not appear in the bible either.

    “Beliefs Clarified” relies on the WTS concept of the “light gets brighter” and that nothing changes but only the outline gets clearer. Notice the that the WTS taught that the “superior authorities” were the secular governments up until 1929 then changed it to God and Jesus and then in 1962 changed it back to the secular governments. Was that increasing light or a blinking light, on, off, on again?

    Not perfect food, more than imperfect, poisonous, death dealing.

    INFALLIBLE: incapable of making mistakes or being wrong.

    WTS DEFINITION OF INFALLIBLE/INSPIRED:

    STUDY BOOK: JEREMIAH p. 166-167

    Yes, like Jeremiah, we live in critical times. As in his day, people’s reaction to Jehovah’s message can mean life or death. God’s people today are not prophets. We are not inspired to add to Jehovah’s infallible words of truth found in the Bible. (BL But the WTS does add to the bible when they say “must have” or “imagine.”

    INSPIRED: Dictionaries - Easton's Bible Dictionary - Inspiration

    13. How has holy spirit helped the Governing Body?

    13 Evidence of holy spirit. The holy spirit has helped the Governing Body to grasp Scriptural truths not previously understood. For example, reflect on the list of beliefs clarified that was referred to in the preceding paragraph. Surely, no human deserves credit for discovering and explaining these “deep things of God”! (Read 1 Corinthians 2:10.) The Governing Body echoes the apostle Paul, who wrote: “These things we also speak, not with words taught by human wisdom, but with those taught by the spirit.” (1 Cor. 2:13) After centuries of apostasy and spiritual darkness, can anything other than holy spirit explain the rapid increase in spiritual understanding since 1919?

    COMMENTS

    I don’t think God wants credit for making it clear that the “superior authorities” were secular governments not him and Jesus as the WTS wrongly concluded and then put back the way God wanted to secular governments.

    How does the WTS explain that it took 17 years from 1919 to remove the Cross from the cover of the WTS? Not exactly “rapid” and 33 years for the WTS to rediscover the truth about “superior authorities”?

    14. According to Revelation 14:6, 7, how do angels assist God’s people today?

    14 Evidence of angelic assistance. The Governing Body today has the colossal task of overseeing an international preaching work involving over eight million evangelizers. Why has that work been so successful? For one, angels are involved. (Read Revelation 14:6, 7.) In many cases, publishers have called on individuals who had just been praying for help! * The overall growth of the preaching and disciple-making work despite fierce opposition in some lands has likewise been possible only with superhuman assistance.

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    Part 3

    COMMENTS

    Does increase prove angelic assistance? Then the Mormons/LDS or Muslims could say the same and they do?

    So were these people praying for god to send jws? Does god listen to the prayers of people who are not jws.

    Fierce in opposition….allusion to the Russians? Does that mean that other religions are not also receiving fierce opposition? www.forum18.org

    15. What contrast exists between the Governing Body and Christendom’s leaders? Give an example.

    15 Reliance on God’s Word. (Read John 17:17.) Consider what occurred in 1973. The June 1 issue of The Watchtower asked the question: “Do . . . persons who have not broken their addiction to tobacco qualify for baptism?” The answer was: “The Scriptural evidence points to the conclusion that they do not.” After citing several relevant scriptures, The Watchtower explained why an unrepentant smoker should be disfellowshipped. (1 Cor. 5:7; 2 Cor. 7:1) It said: “This represents no effort to act in an arbitrary, dictatorial manner. The strictness really proceeds from God, who expresses himself through his written Word.” Has any other religious organization been willing to rely fully on God’s Word, even when doing so presents a real challenge to some of its members? A recent book on religion in the United States notes: “Christian leaders have regularly revised their teachings to match the beliefs and opinions gaining support among their members and in the larger society.” If those of the Governing Body allow God’s Word rather than popular opinion to guide their decisions, who is really leading God’s people today?

    COMMENTS

    Why is it that so many ex-jws or jws born after 1973, think it is a health issue. Reading that article and similar ones, would help you see that using (not just smoking) tobacco products, cocal leaves products or betel nut products was considered spiritism.

    As the unidentified non-jw quote above, note what this says about WT doctrine changes.

    https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/light-gets-brighter.php

    Smoking became a disfellowshipping offence in 1973. Yet smoking has always been harmful to health. "Societies were formed to discourage smoking" from the early 1900's1 and scientists proved the connection to lung cancer in the 1930's.2 Further, smoking was introduced as wrong because it was related to spiritism,3 in which case it was wrong from the birth of the religion and would not be something God should wait 100 years to provide enlightenment on.

    Watchtower 1973 Jun 1 "The Scriptural evidence points to the conclusion that they do not. As has been explained in other issues of this magazine, the Greek word phar·ma·ki´a used by Bible writers and translated "practice of spiritism" or "spiritistic practices" has the initial meaning of "druggery." (Gal. 5:20; Rev. 9:21) The term came to refer to spiritistic practices because of the close connection between the use of drugs and spiritism. Tobacco was also used initially by the American Indians in this way. It can properly be placed, therefore, in the category of addictive drugs like those that provided the source for the Greek term phar·ma·ki´a. … Do we want to have Jehovah God be a speedy witness against us as addicts to drugs or other habit-forming injurious weeds, things that expose us to the influence of the spirit demons? Jehovah’s judgment against such addicts during the oncoming "great tribulation" will mean their destruction."

    “REMEMBER THOSE WHO ARE TAKING THE LEAD”

    16. What is one way to remember the Governing Body?

    16 Read Hebrews 13:7. The word rendered “remember” can also be translated “mention.” Therefore, one way you can “remember those who are taking the lead” is by mentioning the Governing Body in your prayers. (Eph. 6:18) Reflect on their responsibility to supply spiritual food, to oversee the global preaching work, and to manage donated funds. Surely they need our persistent petitions in their behalf!

    COMMENTS

    Yes, pray for the GB not the sick or elderly in your congregation, not even the elders that are assigned the daily shepherding. Is this prayer to God to help the GB or remind the rank and file jw who really controls their lives?

    17, 18. (a) How do we cooperate with the Governing Body? (b) How does our preaching support the faithful slave and Jesus?

    17 Of course, remembering the Governing Body involves not just words but also cooperation with its direction. The Governing Body provides the direction given in our publications and at our meetings, assemblies, and conventions. In addition, it appoints circuit overseers, who in turn appoint congregation elders. Circuit overseers and elders remember the Governing Body by sticking closely to guidelines given to them. All of us show respect for our Leader, Jesus, by being obedient and submissive to the men he is using to direct us.—Heb. 13:17.

    COMMENTS

    The GB doesn’t need your prayers, after all the are anointed, destined to become priests and kings in heaven with Christ, and they are being directed by the angles, but they do need your money.

    How many of us realize that the GB no longer has any active role in appointing COs, elders? Remember the WTS earlier taught that Jesus was the head but the anointed were the body, making up the whole, The Christ?

    Yes, you disobedient COs and elders, must start sticking CLOSELY to the guidelines from the GB. Not being obedient to the GB is the same as being disobedient to Jesus and god, even when the WTS makes critical errors or does makes rules/doctrines/policies that have no scriptural backing.

    "Faithful servants of Jehovah have always been eager to submit to theocratic direction. (Read Hebrews 13:7, 17.) We may initially lack full understanding of the reasons for carrying out our assigned work in a particular way. Nevertheless, we are fully aware of the benefits of cooperating with Jehovah in any adjustments that he sees fit to make." Watchtower 2014 Oct 15 pp.24-25

    18 Another way that we remember the Governing Body is by exerting ourselves in the preaching work. After all, Paul urged Christians to imitate the faith of those taking the lead among them. The faithful slave has exercised outstanding faith by zealously promoting and spreading the Kingdom good news. Are you one of the other sheep who supports the anointed in this vital work? How happy you will feel when your Leader, Jesus, says: “To the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.”—Matt. 25:34-40.

    COMMENTS

    I’d like to see the time slips of the GB and send someone around documenting it. It reminds of the fact that it is the great crowd that is supposedly doing the real preaching and then we can drop down to that it is the women in the congregation doing all the real grunt work in the preaching.

    So if you support the GB in its insane policy of not reporting pedophiles in its midst to the proper secular authorities and let the victims suffer, is that what Jesus would have done?

    19. Why are you determined to follow our Leader, Jesus?

    19 When Jesus returned to heaven, he did not abandon his followers. (Matt. 28:20) He knew firsthand how much the holy spirit, the angels, and God’s Word helped him to take the lead when he was on earth. Therefore, he has supplied the faithful slave today with the same assistance. As anointed Christians, the members of that slave “keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.” (Rev. 14:4) As we follow their direction, therefore, we follow our Leader, Jesus. Soon, he will lead us to everlasting life. (Rev. 7:14-17) And no human leader can promise that!

    COMMENTS

    Jesus did not abandon his followers, but many downtrodden, sick, elderly, depressed jws are abandoned by the WTS from the top down. They are no Jesus Christ of their bible record. Following the Lamb does not mean following the WTS. The WTS/GB has placed itself between the people on earth including jws and Jesus, he is only the anointed jws mediator, not anyone else’s.

    (another WTS trinity: holy spirit, the angels, and God’s Word)

    CARROT: soon….everlasting life

  • blondie
    blondie

    PART 4

    CONCLUDING COMMENTS: Regarding infallibility/inspiration this link has more information.

    https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/directed-by-holy-spirit.php

    Provisional Infallibility

    To be directed by holy spirit is to be inspired

    The Organization operates under the confusing concept of 'Provisional Infallibility'. On the one hand, information contained in Watchtower is from God and accepted without question; on the other hand, the Watchtower admittedly contains significant mistakes.

    The Organization uses the irrational concept that Holy Spirit directs them but they are not inspired. This is illogical - inspired means to be directed by Holy Spirit. The concepts of infallibility and inspiration are simple, yet discussing them in line with Watchtower teachings becomes complicated because by definition it is impossible to have direction of Holy Spirit but not be inspired. According to The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition:

    • Infallible; "Incapable of erring" (therefore to be infallible means to be perfect)
    • Inspire; "to affect, guide, or arouse by divine influence" (or in other words inspired means to be directed by Holy Spirit)

    Therefore, if the Organization claims the direction of Holy Spirit it is by definition claiming to be inspired. In this case, it cannot make mistakes, by definition, it should be infallible in the same way the Bible is infallible.

    By Definition
    Directed by Holy Spirit = Inspired

    The Bible
    Directed by Holy Spirit = Inspired
    Infallible (no errors)

    Watchtower
    Directed by Holy Spirit =/ Inspired
    Fallible (contains errors)

    Presented as formula highlights the flaw in the Watchtower reasoning, the Watchtower contradicts itself when saying that God's Holy Spirit directed its doctrines, yet they are not necessarily correct.

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  • Tallon
    Tallon

    Great post, Blondie. Thanks for sharing.

    It's going to take some time read over all this.

  • blondie
  • kpop
    kpop

    The entire premise of the WT cult can be dismantled literally by using the most basic of logic and reasoning; sadly something that most people today no longer possess is logic or reasoning. Since the WT cult uses circular reasoning, anyone with more than 2 neural synapses should be able to see clear as daylight that this cult doesn't hold water in the big scheme of things.

    As always Blondie, thank you!

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    The holy spirit has helped the Governing Body to grasp Scriptural truths not previously understood. For example, reflect on the list of beliefs clarified that was referred to in the preceding paragraph. Surely, no human deserves credit for discovering and explaining these “deep things of God”! ~ WT Quote

    WAIT A MINUTE! Is there any doctrine held by JWs that is exclusive to them? Surely not!

    Assuming that is correct (waiting on someone to disprove it *), then other humans or organizations also descovered these "deep things".

    * Maybe Paradise afterlife on earth vs heaven? Is that unique to JWs??



  • Londo111
    Londo111

    He discerned that Christ would return invisibly and that “the appointed times of the nations” would end in 1914

    Very misleading. Russell believed Christ had returned invisibly in 1874. Of course, he didn't come up with this...he got this, along with 1914, from Nelson Barbour.

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