Cort24: :L You seem to want to ignore that the 6-1-2003 WT is talking about [b]Gog of Magog[/b] from the Bible book of Ezekiel and Daniel prophecy. See paragraph 2 and 12 below. You and other are trying to take two different prophecies and say there is new light. The 6-1-2003 WT is not talking about Revelation prophecy, but is talking about Ezekiel and Daniel prophecy. You may think you know more about this then JW do, but I can tell the only way you are going to get new light is by ignore this facts list below. First Fact is in the 6-1-2003 [b]8 times[/b] mention [b]Gog of Magog[/b. Second fact is in paragraph 2 and 12 below the 6-1-2003 WT tell us what prophecy 6-1-2003 WT is talking about, and that is Ezekiel and Daniel prophecy not Revelation. The 6-1-2003 WT does not say UN is no longer the Beast of Revelation or scarlet-colored wild beast. Show we where is said that? The 6-1-2003 WT Paragraph 11: [b]Gog of Magog[/b] is identified as Satan the Devil in his debased condition since 1914. As a spirit creature, he cannot carry out his attack directly, but will use human agencies to do his deeds. [u]Who will these human agencies be[/u]? The [b]Bible does not give us details, yet it does give us certain indications that can help us to identify who they will be[/b]. [u]As world events unfold in fulfilment of Bible propecies, we gradually get an ever clearer picture[/u]. Jehovah's people avoid speculation but [b]remain spiritually alert, fully aware of political and religious developments that fit into the framework of Bible prophecy[/b]. First it seem to me that they are ignore the words “Bible does not give us details, [b]yet it does give us certain indications that can help us to identify who they will be[/b]”. This help me to see, that the WT is not going into a detail discussion on the identify or the indications of this instrument in the Bible at this time. The words Bible “[b]does give us certain[/b]” show that they are aware what the Bible has to say on this matter. As for the words “[u]As world events unfold in fulfilment of Bible propecies, we gradually get an ever clearer picture[/u]”. All this statement is showing that we will in the future definitely know the whole picture. The next statement show me that nothing has change on this matter “Jehovah's people avoid speculation but [b]remain spiritually alert, fully aware of political and religious developments that fit into the framework of Bible prophecy[/b]. We are still fully aware what Bible prophecy has to say on this matter, we just do not know how it will fully be accomplish in the future. This is because prophecy is best understood after it is fulfill. . Notice that the above statement is in reference to the "King of the North" and it's identification... The identity of the scarlet colored Wild Beast is the League of Nations followed by the UN ... In June 1st 2003 WT there is absolutely NO mention of the UN in that article. The focus of the article is "[/b]Gog of the Land of Magog[/b]".....and has no reference to the UN. See what you are trying to do is take [b]Gog of Magog[/b] from book of Ezekiel and Daniel prophecy which deal with the King of the North and try to say this is the same subject as the Beast of Revelation or scarlet-colored wild beast that deal with the UN. Throughout the article it show who it is dealing with as follow: Paragraph 2 mention God three times in 6-1-2003 WT: It is the attack by "[b]Gog of the land of Magog[/b]," about which the Bible speaks in [b]Ezekiel chapter 38[/b]. Is it an exaggeration to say that this attack is of greater consequence than is the threat of international terrorism? Not at all, [b]because Gog's attack[/b] goes beyond an assault on human governments. It strikes out against the heavenly government of God! However, unlike humans, who may have only limited success in coping with assaults on their system, the Creator is fully capable of dealing [b]with Gog's more vicious attack[/b]. Paragraph 3 in 6-1-2003 WT - Resistance to Kingdom rule will clearly reach its climax [b]during the attack by Gog of Magog[/]b. Paragraph 7 in 6-1-2003 WT: Of course, those who actively support the anointed remnant will likewise [b]feel Gog's fury[/b] Paragraph 8 in 6-1-2003 WT: [b]Gog's attack[/b] will cause God's enthroned King to take action and wage the war of Armageddon Subheading heading in 6-1-2003 WT - Who Will Lead [b]Gog's Attack[/b]? Paragraph 11 in 6-1-2003 WT - 11: [b]Gog of Magog[/b] is identified as Satan the Devil in his debased condition since 1914. The 6-1-2003 WT Paragraph 12: The [b]prophet Daniel sheds light[/b] upon a final attack against God's people. To different subject and the 6-1-2003 WT is dealing with Gog of Magog from book of Ezekiel and Daniel prophecy, which deal with the King of the North. :P
New Light on the United Nations (U.N.) (Scarlet Beast)
Cort24r, I don't believe you have read all of the Articles that have been posted in this Thread. Please notice the following Quotes:
Isaiah's Prophecy Book 1 (Published in the Year 2000), Pages 153-154:
Whom will Jehovah use to discipline rebellious Christendom? We find the answer in the 17th chapter of Revelation. There we are introduced to a harlot, "Babylon the Great," representing all the world’s false religions, including Christendom. The harlot is riding a scarlet-colored wild beast that has seven heads and ten horns. (Revelation 17:3, 5, 7-12) The wild beast represents the United Nations organization. Just as the ancient Assyrian destroyed Samaria, the scarlet-colored wild beast "will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire." (Revelation 17:16) Thus the modern-day Assyrian (nations associated with the UN) will deal Christendom a mighty blow and will crush her out of existence.
21Will Jehovah’s faithful Witnesses perish along with Babylon the Great? No. God is not displeased with them. Pure worship will survive. However, the wild beast that destroys Babylon the Great also casts a greedy eye in the direction of Jehovah’s people. In doing so, the beast carries out, not God’s thought, but the thought of someone else. Who? Satan the Devil.
22Jehovah exposes Satan’s prideful scheme: "It must occur in that day that things will come up into your [Satan’s] heart, and you will certainly think up an injurious scheme; and you must say: ‘I shall . . . come in upon those having no disturbance, dwelling in security, all of them dwelling without [a protective] wall . . .’ It will be to get a big spoil and to do much plundering." (Ezekiel 38:10-12) Satan will reason, ‘Yes, why not incite the nations to attack Jehovah’s Witnesses? They are vulnerable, unprotected, without political influence. They will offer no resistance. How easy it will be to pluck them like eggs from an unprotected nest!’
23But watch out, nations! Be advised that if you touch Jehovah’s people, you will have to reckon with God himself! Jehovah loves his people, and he will fight for them just as surely as he fought for Jerusalem in the days of Hezekiah. When the modern-day Assyrian tries to annihilate Jehovah’s servants, he will really be battling Jehovah God and the Lamb, Jesus Christ. That is a battle that the Assyrian cannot win. "The Lamb will conquer them," the Bible says, "because he is Lord of lords and King of kings." (Revelation 17:14; compare Matthew 25:40.) Like the Assyrian of old, the scarlet-colored wild beast will ‘go off into destruction.’ It will be feared no more.—Revelation 17:11.
Revelation - Its Grand Climax At Hand! Book (Published in 1988), Page 279:
ARMAGEDDON—a fearsome word to many! But to lovers of righteousness, it betokens the long-awaited day when Jehovah will execute final judgment on the nations. It is not man’s war but "the war of the great day of God the Almighty"—his day of vengeance against earth’s rulers. (Revelation 16:14, 16; Ezekiel 25:17) With the desolating of Babylon the Great, the great tribulation will already have started. Then, urged on by Satan, the scarlet-colored wild beast and its ten horns will concentrate their attack on Jehovah’s people. The Devil, more wrathful than ever at God’s womanlike organization, is determined to use his dupes in waging war to a finish with the remaining ones of her seed. (Revelation 12:17) This is Satan’s last opportunity!
2The Devil’s vicious assault is vividly described in Ezekiel chapter 38. There, the debased Satan is called "Gog of the land of Magog." Jehovah puts figurative hooks in Gog’s jaws, drawing him and his numerous military force to the attack.
The Watchtower, June 1, 2003 Issue, Page 20, Paragraph 11:
"Gog of Magog is identified as Satan the Devil in his debased condition since 1914. As a spirit creature, he cannot carry out his attack directly, but will use human agencies to do his deeds. Who will these human agencies be? The Bible does not give us details, yet it does give us certain indications that can help us to identify who they will be. As world events unfold in fulfilment of Bible propecies, we gradually get an ever clearer picture. Jehovah's people avoid speculation but remain spiritually alert, fully aware of political and religious developments that fit into the framework of Bible prophecy."
Bottom line? The Watchtower's Publications for decades have taught that Satan was going to use the Scarlet-Colored Wild Beast (United Nations) to attack the Jehovah's Witnesses after Babylon is destroyed.
NOW, in the 6-01-03 Watchtower, "The Bible does give details" about who Satan will use to attack the Jehovah's Witnesses after Babylon is destroyed, and Jehovah's Witnesses are not supposed to even speculate on who it might be.
On Sunday, July 20th, I am planning on going to the Watchtower Study in order to take notes of all of the comments about this June 1st, 2003 Watchtower Article.
I will post the comments here.
Just giving this Thread a BIG BUMP!
I hate it when people bring up OLD THREADS , and I spend time reading it before I realise that it is OLD !