Poll: Do you trust Israel ? ? ? ?

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Realist

thichi,
please show some articles that claim germany is doing buisness with iraq or producing oil in iraq....i would love to see that!
Thanks for admitting this! At least you have tempered down to "it seems likely.." very good!
just for your information...i always view everything as matters of probability. i consider it very probable that bush is a corrupt asshole and view it as very unlikely that he is a noble and honest guy.
You are right, what do you propose to do about it? Just what I thought......The truth is appeasement has not worked. How long do we use peaceful means? it has been 12 years now! What a red herring. There is a new Leader in town......how do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time!
shall we start a thread about WHAT WOULD I DO TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE? there are many possible solutions but there is no one interested to do what is required.
I know, this is what is missing in your claims, balance to reach the right conclusion.
so what is the right conculsion? you actually think bush has noble motives? (of course in contrast to chirac and putin right?)
Then why not say so? Your statements only lead one to a false choice about the US. There is hope for you yet, if you can grasp this....
i always said so! read my past posts. the poblem is the US is the strongest bully right now...this does not mean the others have any more pure motives.
this conflict has shown more clearly than anything ever before how blatantly politicians lie all around the world and that they give a shit about human lifes. """
Around and around we go.......So What? The issue is Oil for War. We know you are paranoid.
so let me get this straight...you agree chirac and putin are lying when they say they are against the war for human rights reasons....but bush is of course sincere in his concerns?
i guess the real question is: paranoia on my side or severe denial on your part?!
Very fatal reasoning...I feel sorry for you and the world you live in...............
perhaps you can name a couple of honest politicans! i expect bush jr., sen., R. reagan ... right?
Go back just ten posts here for an example. Do a search....The reality is you don’t acknowledge the information, you seem comfortable in your paranoid world you live in. Fine!
the article you posted states that it would be stupid to attack iraq if one is concerned about getting cheap oil for the US. nobody claims this war is about getting cheap oil for the US but for the US companies getting the contracts for the iraqi oil production.
have a good one!
Realist
Utopiano Reformato

Have any of you served in combat? If so, when and where?
Is Israel next on the list of rogue nations to attack, since they have violated over 60 UN resolutions?
When global war results, with possibly Russia or China taking a stand against the US, will you enlist?
ThiChi

The German Connection:
UN Documents German Firms Who did business with Iraq Agence France-Presser
BERLIN - Iraq's arms report to the United Nations shows that more than 80 German companies have done business with Baghdad since the 1970s and that some have contravened a UN embargo, according to a German newspaper. In its Tuesday edition, the daily Tageszeitung said that the companies included public and private research laboratories and firms which supplied whole systems or components for weapons of mass destruction. Citing what it claimed were parts of the report, the newspaper said some of the 86 companies that had been doing business in Iraq since around 1975 had continued to do so at least up until 2001. A spokeswoman for the economy ministry said on Monday that the government had informed parliament in 1990 about materials being supplied to Iraq. An international embargo was imposed on Iraq in 1990 after it invaded Kuwait. The newspaper said the report also includes information about firms trading in electronics components which fall under the "dual use" category of materials that can be used for military or civilian purposes. Some German companies are already the subject of legal proceedings for their dealings with Baghdad. Two businessmen are to go on trial in Germany in January accused of supplying Iraq with equipment to build a long-range cannon capable of firing weapons of mass destruction. A 59-year-old man and his unidentified business partner are alleged to have bought cannon-drilling equipment -- used for drilling barrels for large guns -- from German companies. The total value of the equipment, said to have been delivered to Iraq between April 1999 and December 2000, is put at $255,000. He is also accused of offering to supply rocket-launchers, mortars and machine guns for $65,000.
Middle East A POLEMIC Germany's leading role in arming Iraq By Marc Erikson Expurgated portions of Iraq's December 7 report to the UN Security Council show that German firms made up the bulk of suppliers for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. What's galling is that German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and his minions have long known the facts, German intelligence services know them and have loads of information on what Saddam Hussein is hiding, and Schroeder nonetheless plays holier than thou to an easily manipulated, pacifist-inclined domestic audience. If it's not the height of hypocrisy and opportunism, Schroeder's preemptive "no war. period" stance on Iraq and insistence on a "German Way" (Deutscher Weg) certainly come close. German Way? Haven't we heard that sort of talk before sometime, somewhere? But leave that be. It falls in the same category as Schroeder's former justice minister's comparison of US President George W Bush to Adolf Hitler in last summer's election campaign. Not only Schroeder and that unfortunate lady, but politicians elsewhere are of limited mental accountability when desperate about winning an election, and suffer lapses of speech and memory. In 1991, Iraq fired dozens of Scud missiles at Israel and threatened to arm the missiles with poison-gas and biological warheads. Most of the contents of those warheads were made in Germany or made with the aid of German engineers and technology. In light of German history, can Herr Schroeder countenance the possibility of a future poison gas attack on Israel (or anyone else) facilitated by German know-how? Schroeder may not want to go to war. So be it. But he should regard it as his most solemn obligation to do his absolute damnedest to make sure that in the future "good Germans" don't once again stand there and say: "We didn't know." Friedbert Pflueger, foreign policy spokesman of the main opposition Christian Democratic parties and an embittered critic of Schroeder's and Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer's Iraq policy, last Thursday accused the red-green coalition government of deliberately keeping the German and world public uninformed of BND (German foreign intelligence service) evidence and assessments on the continued existence of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction (WMDs). "If we trust our [intelligence] services, and I do, then we know that there exist weapons of mass destruction in Iraq," said Pflueger, and referred to a November 13, 2002, BND briefing of members of parliament's foreign affairs committee in which relevant information was disclosed. As a member of parliament, added Pflueger, he was bound by his secrecy oath not to pass on such information, but challenged Schroeder to make it public forthwith. This was necessary, he said, "so that Herr Schroeder cannot continue to spread the impression that the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is a figment of George W Bush's imagination". He said further that he would dearly like to know exactly how many different types of smallpox virus were in Iraq's possession as - during a November 13 budget committee meeting - Health Minister Ulla Schmidt had motivated her request for a several million euro allocation for the purchase of smallpox vaccine with reference to such Iraqi stocks. Well, Gerhard, why's your minister worried? Or do vaccine purchases fall into the category of economic stimulus for the pharmaceutical industry? The reason the BND is well-informed of Iraqi WMD programs - nuclear, biological and chemical - is straightforward: since the early 1980s, it has monitored German exports of dual-use nuclear technologies, precursor chemicals for poison-gas weapons, and "pharmaceutical" products and equipment for biological weapons manufacture to the Middle East. Indeed, there are strong suspicions that it was a silent partner in a Hamburg front company, Water Engineering Trading or WET, which covered for and facilitated such exports. Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix said in his January 27 report that tons of Iraqi chemical and biological agents and precursors were unaccounted for. Over the years, well over half of the precursor materials and a majority of the tools and know-how for their conversion into weapons were sold to Iraq by German firms - both prior to and after the 1991 Gulf War. The BND has the details. In the summer of 1994, the BND conducted a major study to estimate the magnitude of the - as at that time - still undeclared and concealed Iraqi WMD arsenal, relying on sales records in its possession of post-Gulf War German, Austrian, and Swiss exports of technologies, sub-systems and strategic materials to Iraq. It concluded that these exports pointed to several specific weapons programs, ranging from ballistic missile upgrades to poison gas manufacture, which Iraq had not declared and UN inspectors were unaware of and hence, not surprisingly, had failed to discover. While the magnitude of the current (1994) Iraqi weapons program "is difficult to assess", said the BND, there is no doubt that "some of the material and equipment" has eluded discovery and certain projects "are being revived and run clandestinely". In February 2001, the BND compiled a further report and intelligence chief August Hanning told Spiegel magazine that, "Since the end of the UN inspections [December 1998], we have determined a jump in procurement efforts by Iraq," adding that Saddam was rebuilding destroyed weapons facilities "partly based on the German industrial standard". According to the report: Iraq has resumed its nuclear program and may be capable of producing an atomic bomb in three years; Iraq is developing its Al Samoud and Ababil 100/Al Fatah short-range rockets, which can deliver a 300kg payload 150km. Medium-range rockets capable of carrying a warhead 3,000km could be built by 2005 - far enough to reach Europe; Iraq is capable of manufacturing solid rocket fuel; A Delhi-based company, blacklisted by the German government because of its alleged role in weapons proliferation, has acted as a buyer on Iraq's behalf. Deliveries have been made via Malaysia and Dubai. Indian companies have copied German machine tools down to the smallest detail and such equipment has been installed in numerous chemicals projects. [Note that such Indian cooperation with Iraq is something of a tradition: during the Iran-Iraq war India delivered precursors for warfare agents to Iraq - and later was found to have delivered quantities of the same materials to Iran. Baghdad's middleman at the time, an Iraqi with a German passport, founded a company in Singapore expressly for this purpose.] Since the departure of the UN inspectors, the number of Iraqi sites involved in chemicals production has increased from 20 to 80. Of that total, a quarter could be involved in weapons production. The BND's warnings didn't stop with that report. In April 2001, Hanning told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper that Iraq was developing a new class of chemical weapons, reiterated his alert on Iraq's missile and nuclear programs, and said that several German companies had continued to deliver to Baghdad components needed for the production of poison gas. In March 2002, he told the New Yorker magazine that, "It is our estimate that Iraq will have an atomic bomb in three years." The German opposition parties' demand that the government make public what it knows is thus no irresponsible, idle, politically inspired chatter as the ruling Social Democrats and Greens charge. The irresponsible chatter and politicking is Herr Schroeder's. Houston, Texas, attorney Gary Pitts announced late last December that his firm, Pitts and Associates, would soon launch a class action suit on behalf of more than 3,000 sick Gulf War veterans against dozens of European companies accused of helping arm Iraq with weapons of mass destruction. Pitts said he had received a list of 56 international suppliers of equipment and raw materials necessary to make sarin, VX, mustard gas and other chemical agents from the Iraqi government. The list, brought back from Iraq by former weapons inspector Scott Ritter last September, proves identical to one included in a 1998 Iraqi chemical weapons declaration to the UN, resubmitted unchanged on December 7 and withheld from publication by the inspectors - along with other items - for reasons of "sensitivity". Withheld as well is a list of Iraqi nuclear technology suppliers originally contained in a 1996 declaration and also resubmitted on December 7. That nuclear weapons production details on ura nium enrichment, detonation, implosion testing and warhead construction contained in Iraq's declarations should be withheld from all but the five permanent UN Security Council members may have some justification. That lists of suppliers for nuclear, chemical and biological weapons components are being withheld makes sense only if the UN inspectors want to save supplier countries and firms from embarrassment - precisely the embarrassment they should be exposed to to forestall future deliveries. The list in Iraq's 1998/current chemical weapons declaration contains 31 "major suppliers", 14 from Germany. The 1996/current nuclear suppliers list has 62 company names on it, 33 from Germany. As Iraq claims that since 1991 it has not engaged in WMD production, the lists name no post-Gulf War suppliers. Call it old news. So much the sillier that the UN refuses to make them public. But since the BND claims that deliveries did not stop at the end of the Gulf War as well as simply as a matter of record of German complicity in arming Iraq, the issue remains an urgent current concern. Leading the honor roll of chemical agents and production equipment suppliers (in this case nerve gas precursors and manufacturing) to Iraq is the German firm Preussag, now a subsidiary of Europe's largest travel agent and tour operator TUI - happy holidays! And Preussag has long been a firm dear to Schroeder's heart. In early 1998, when Schroeder was running for re-election as prime minister of the state of Lower Saxony which he had governed for eight years, he had the state buy 51 percent of Preussag's troubled steel division to the tune of US$500 million, claiming that 12,000 jobs were at stake. It was a characteristic Schroeder move: he knew that the Social Democrats would appoint him chancellor's candidate if he won in Lower Saxony. Win he did - first in Hannover, later in 1998 at the federal level to become chancellor. What did he know about the Preussag conglomerate's Iraq poison gas dealings? Don't ask. Included on the Iraqi suppliers' lists are other world-renowned (eg, Hoechst, Daimler-Benz, Siemens, Kloeckner, Carl Zeiss, Schott Glas, etc) and smaller German firms. Notable are Karl Kolb/Pilot Plant and WTB (Walter Thosti Boswau) who built and equipped Iraq's two major "pesticide and detergent" plants which, said a WTB employee, produce "detergents to exterminate two-legged flies" (Spiegel 4/1989, p 24). The WTB undertaking was supported by a credit guarantee for several hundred million German marks by Hermes, a German government export and credit insurer. Noteworthy also is Rhein-Bayern, which supplied Iraq with eight mobile toxicological labs housed in sand-colored, camouflage-painted Magirus trucks. Chemical agents? Biological agents? Machine tools and parts and materials for uranium enrichment and missile production? You name them and the Germans delivered them - and not only that: they supplied the plants and know-how for Iraq to make its own "pesticides" ("to protect the date harvest"), "vaccines" ("to eradicate smallpox and other contagious diseases"), and "x-ray machines". Karl Kolb told investigative reporters following up the Pitts and Associates law suit that it has done business with Iraq for 35 years, but had no connection to its weapons programs. Preussag claimed that accusations it had supplied precursor chemicals for Iraqi weapons were untrue. Schott Glas said it was "a manufacturer of glass and glass components, not of weapons". If Herr Schroeder had his way, one assumes, then that's where things would end. Happily, with some nasty American trial lawyers on the case, that's unlikely. And happily, though he tried once more in advance of last Sunday's state elections in Lower Saxony and Hesse to rally Germans to his party's cause with anti-Iraq war rhetoric, Schroeder was dealt a humiliating defeat in both states. He should have bought re-privatized Preussag once again. Even the most gullible of German voters saw through his miserable Iraq-war ploy this time around, blamed him for over 10 percent unemployment, and threw his candidates and party into the trash bin. ===== You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

ThiChi

UR:

""WHO IS THE ILLUMINATI? ""

Hahahaaahaha !

What crap! Is this the best you can do? You got to be kidding, right?

UR: The True Picture:

2001 Report on Foreign Terrorist Organizations

Released by the Office of the Coordinator for Counterterrorism

(October 5, 2001)

Background

The Secretary of State designates Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTO’s), in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of the Treasury. These designations are undertaken pursuant to the Immigration and Nationality Act, as amended by the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. FTO designations are valid for two years, after which they must be redesignated or they automatically expire. Redesignation after two years is a positive act and represents a determination by the Secretary of State that the organization has continued to engage in terrorist activity and still meets the criteria specified in law.

In October 1997, former Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright approved the designation of the first 30 groups as Foreign Terrorist Organizations.
In October 1999, Secretary Albright re-certified 27 of these groups’ designations but allowed three organizations to drop from the list because their involvement in terrorist activity had ended and they no longer met the criteria for designation.
Secretary Albright designated one new FTO in 1999 (al Qa’ida) and another in 2000 (Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan).
Secretary of State Colin L. Powell has designated two new FTO’s (Real IRA and AUC) in 2001.
In October 2001, Secretary Powell re-certified the designation of 26 of the 28 FTO’s whose designation was due to expire, and combined two previously designated groups (Kahane Chai and Kach) into one.

Current List of Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations (as of October 5, 2001)

1. Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
2. Abu Sayyaf Group
3. Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
4. Aum Shinrikyo
5. Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)
6. Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group)
7. HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)
8. Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
9. Hizballah (Party of God)
10. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)
11. al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad)
12. Kahane Chai (Kach)
13. Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)
14. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
15. Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)
16. National Liberation Army (ELN)

17. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
18. Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
19. Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
20. PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)
21. al-Qa'ida
22. Real IRA
23. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
24. Revolutionary Nuclei (formerly ELA)
25. Revolutionary Organization 17 November
26. Revolutionary People's Liberation Army/Front (DHKP/C)
27. Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL)
28. United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC)

NOTE: For descriptions of these foreign terrorist organizations, please refer to "Patterns of Global Terrorism: 2000."

Legal Criteria for Designation

The organization must be foreign.
The organization must engage in terrorist activity as defined in Section 212 (a)(3)(B) of the Immigration and Nationality Act. (** - see below)
The organization’s activities must threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security (national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests) of the United States.

Effects of Designation

Legal

It is unlawful for a person in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to provide funds or other material support to a designated FTO. Representatives and certain members of a designated FTO, if they are aliens, can be denied visas or excluded from the United States.
U.S. financial institutions must block funds of designated FTO’s and their agents and report the blockage to the Office of Foreign Assets Control, U.S. Department of the Treasury.

Other Effects

Deters donations or contributions to named organizations
Heightens public awareness and knowledge of terrorist organizations
Signals to other governments our concern about named organizations
Stigmatizes and isolates designated terrorist organizations internationally

The Process

Federal Register

Under the statute, designations are subject to judicial review. In the event of a challenge to a group’s FTO designation in federal court, the U.S. government relies upon the administrative record to defend the Secretary’s decision. These administrative records contain intelligence information and are therefore classified.

FTO designations expire in two years unless renewed. The law allows groups to be added at any time following a decision by the Secretary, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of the Treasury. The Secretary may also revoke designations after determining that there are grounds for doing so and notifying Congress.

** The Immigration and Nationality Act defines terrorist activity to mean: any activity which is unlawful under the laws of the place where it is committed (or which, if committed in the United States, would be unlawful under the laws of the United States or any State) and which involves any of the following:

(I) The highjacking or sabotage of any conveyance (including an aircraft, vessel, or vehicle).

(II) The seizing or detaining, and threatening to kill, injure, or continue to detain, another individual in order to compel a third person (including a governmental organization) to do or abstain from doing any act as an explicit or implicit condition for the release of the individual seized or detained.

(III) A violent attack upon an internationally protected person (as defined in section 1116(b)(4) of title 18, United States Code) or upon the liberty of such a person.

(IV) An assassination.

(V) The use of any-

(a) biological agent, chemical agent, or nuclear weapon or device, or

(b) explosive or firearm (other than for mere personal monetary gain), with intent to endanger, directly or indirectly, the safety of one or more individuals or to cause substantial damage to property.

(VI) A threat, attempt, or conspiracy to do any of the foregoing.

(iii) The term "engage in terrorist activity" means to commit, in an individual capacity or as a member of an organization, an act of terrorist activity or an act which the actor knows, or reasonably should know, affords material support to any individual, organization, or government in conducting a terrorist activity at any time, including any of the following acts:

(I) The preparation or planning of a terrorist activity.

(II) The gathering of information on potential targets for terrorist activity.

(III) The providing of any type of material support, including a safe house, transportation, communications, funds, false documentation or identification, weapons, explosives, or training, to any individual the actor knows or has reason to believe has committed or plans to commit a terrorist activity.

(IV) The soliciting of funds or other things of value for terrorist activity or for any terrorist organization.

(V) The solicitation of any individual for membership in a terrorist organization, terrorist government, or to engage in a terrorist activity.

ThiChi

Revealed: Why Germans Oppose War in Iraq - French Fries

by Thom Hartmann

An hour ago, I was standing deep in a Franconian forest of central Germany, gazing in amazement at the time-hidden ruins of an ancient castle, Nordek, that was first built in A.D. 950 and finally abandoned about 500 years ago. The massive stone structure looms two hundred yards above the Steinach river, and was probably built by the local warlord to control the trade on the river. A sign on the castle identifies three medieval wars that were fought for control of it, and, no doubt, for control of the river's trade.

As the dried and disintegrated blood on Nordek's mute stones tells us, it all comes back to money. And the real money these days is in oil, since there's only about a 30- to 50-year supply of it left on the planet, and thus it's starting to rapidly increase in value.

Unless, of course, you're talking about cooking oil.

"Your car's exhaust smells like french fries," I said to Samuel Mueller as he drove me from the train station in Kulmbach, Germany.

"It's because it's running on oil, possibly recycled from a restaurant," Samuel said. "It's a diesel engine modified to run on vegetable oil."

Interestingly, here in Germany you can buy "bio-diesel" or recycled vegetable oil at gas stations, while in England people who modify their diesel cars to run on vegetable oil are vilified and even prosecuted. Germans broadly oppose seizing the oil fields of Iraq, which are estimated to be the largest in the world, or, at worse, second only to Saudi Arabia, while Tony Blair is Europe's main (and, perhaps, only) cheerleader for former oil-industry CEO Bush's war plans.

Germany is not an oil-producing nation, and the typical German consumes less than half the overall energy and oil of the typical American. The German government offers incentives to architects and companies to design and build energy-efficient or even energy-producing (as in active or passive solar, etc.) buildings, and public transportation (particularly the train system) is cheap, efficient, and very well maintained.

England is an oil-producing nation, and the oil lobby in the UK, like in the USA, is powerful. In England using french-fry oil to power your car is considered unpatriotic, and can even land you in court. At the same time, securing the oil of the Middle East, perhaps with England's biggest oil companies as partners in the pumping consortium that will undoubtedly come out of an Iraqi war effort, is promoted to the British public by the corporate-owned British newspapers and similarly corporate-loyal UK politicians. Meanwhile, the British rail system is a mess, and their highways are hopelessly clogged with cars, cars, and more cars. All running on fossil oil.

Although I lived here in Germany for a year some time ago, and visit regularly, my sense of the public sentiment is relatively broad but admittedly unscientific. Nonetheless, it's not surprising to me that a country that remembers well the blood-cost of war, is quickly moving toward energy efficiency and oil-independence, and has no domestic Big Oil lobby pushing its newspapers and politicians, would oppose its own children dying in a faraway war to secure the world's second-largest oil supply.

After all, they've figured out what to do with all that grease the fast-food joints once poured down the drain. And, since burning vegetable oil is cheaper, less polluting, and doesn't require a distant army to maintain, they seem to be having a good time making the transition.

"The car smells nice, eh?" Samuel said. "Builds your appetite for dinner!"

Thom Hartmann is the author of "Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights," a book about corporate influence of government, and "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight," a book about the end of the era of oil. www.unequalprotection.com and www.thomhartmann.com .

Utopiano Reformato

ThiChi:
You used a good source of information, under normal circumstances. However, since Madeline Albright has in the past been very outspoken about supporting pro-Israeli policies her declarations of who and what should be classified as "terrorist" does deserve at least a little scrutiny. I am sure by-and-large she is correct. However, since many believe that our government has been influenced by zionist cabals, it is also possible her oversight could have been prejudicial.
Is America influenced?
However, because American leaders are “superstitious”, they continue providing economic and political support to Israel for fear of divine disapproval. Israel has been the Anglo-American “lucky rabbit’s foot” since 1948. Do Americans know how much this “good luck charm” costs?
U.S. aid to Israel: about $5 billion dollars annually!

Year 2000 - Israel's total population: 5,842,454
Year 2000 - U.S population older than 14: 217,007,918
Payment each man, woman, and infant Israeli receives annually from the U.S.: $855.80, or $71.32 monthly. Cost of payment to each U.S. citizen above the age of 14: $23.04
Source:http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/indexgeo.html
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/010201/0101015.html
List of the Jews in President Clinton´s First Administration
NAME POSITION
Albright, Madeleine K US Ambassador to the UN
Altman, Roger Deputy to Secretary Bentson
Baird, Zoe Attorney General (Declined Post)
Berger, Samuel National Security Deputy Head
Boorstin, Robert Communications Aide
Boykin, Keith Communications Aide
Dreyer, David Communications Aide
Eisenstat, Stuart E Asst Secretary of State: Security
Eller, Jeff Communications Aide
Feder, Judith Advisor to Secretary of Health
Gober, Hershel Asst Secty for Veterans' Affairs
Herman, Alexis Secty to President: Public Works
Kantor, Mickey US Trade Representative
Klain, Ron Third White House Counsel
Kunin, Madeleine Assistant Secretary of Education
Kusnet, David Communications Aide
Lewis, Samuel Director of Strategy
Ludwig, Eugene A Director of the Mint (Jew of course)
Magaziner, Ira Cheif Advisor: Security Questions
Newman, Frank N Asst Secretary of State: Finance
Nussbaum, Bernard White House Counsel
Oxman, Stephen A Asst Secretary of State: Europe
Paster, Howard Presidential Secty for Congress
Pena, Federico F Secretary of Transportation
Rahm, Emanuel Presidential Secty Political Affairs
Reich, Robert Secretary of Labor
Rivlin, Alice Deputy Director: OMB
Rubin, Robert E Head: Counsel Economic Advisors
Segal, Eli Director: Office of Nat'l Service
Seidman, Ricki Communications Aide (Research)
Schifter, Richard US Ambassador to Israeli
Spero, Joan Edelman Asst Secty State: Econ Affairs
Summers, Lawrence H Asst Secty State for Policy
Tarnoff, Peter Asst Secty State: Pol Affairs
Waldman, Michael Communications Aide
Article from the American Jewish magazine "Jewish Post", 16/9-1992:
Clinton Advisers: 5 of 7 are Jewish
NEW YORK - Of the seven advisers on whom Gov Clinton relies, at least five are Jewish and perhaps six; They are Robert Reich, 45, a professor of Harvard's John F Kennedy School of Government; Ira Magaziner, 45, president of SJS, Inc; Robert J Shapiro, 42, vice president of the Progressive Policy Institute; Samuel R Berger, 46, former deputy director of the State Department policy planning staff; and Michael Mandelbaum, 45, professor and director of American foreign policy studies at the Nitze School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University
The following is a list (which doesn't include lower staff levels) of Jews in the present Clinton adminstration:
(1/4/1998)
Madeleine Albright
Secretary of State
Robert Rubin
Secretary of Treasury
William Cohen
Secretary of Defense
Dan Glickman
Secretary of Agriculture
George Tenet
CIA Chief
Samuel Berger
Head National Security Council
Evelyn Lieberman
Deputy Chief of Staff
Stuart Eizenstat
Under Secretary of State
Charlene Barshefsky
US Trade Representative
Susan Thomases
Aide to First Lady
Joel Klein
Assistant Attorney General
Gene Sperling
National Economic Council
Ira Magaziner
National Health Care
Peter Tarnoff
Deputy Secretary of State
Alice Rivlin
Ecomomic Advisory
Janet Yellen
Chairwoman, National Economic Council
Rahm Emanuel
Policy Advisor
Doug Sosnik
Counsel to President
Jim Steinberg
Deputy to National Security Chief
Jay Footlik
Special Liason to the Jewish Community
(no other group has a special liason)
Robert Nash
Personal Chief
Jane Sherburne
President's Lawyer
Mark Penn
Asia Expert to NEC
Sandy Kristoff
Health Care Chief
Robert Boorstin
Communications Aide
Keith Boykin
Communications Aide
Jeff Eller
Special Assistant to Clinton
Tom Epstein
Health Care Adviser
Judith Feder
National Security Council
Richard Feinberg
Assistant Secretary Veterans
Hershel Gober
Food and Drug Administration
Steve Kessler
White House Counsel
Ron Klein
Assistant Secretary Education
Madeleine Kunin
Communications Aide
David Kusnet
Dept AIDS Program
Margaret Hamburg
Dir Press Conferences
Many Grunwald
Liason to Jewish Leaders
Karen Adler
Dir State Dept Policy
Samuel Lewis
National Security Council
Stanley Ross
National Security Council
Dan Schifter
Director Peace Corps
Eli Segal
Deputy Chief of Staff
Alan Greenspan
Chairman of Federal Reserve Bank
Robert Weiner
Drug Policy Coordinator
Jack Lew
Deputy Director Management and Budget
James P Rubin
Under Secretary of State
David Lipton
Under Secretary of The Treasury
Lanny P Breuer
Special Counsel to The President
Richard Holbrooke
Special Representative to NATO
Kenneth Apfel
Chief of Social Security
Joel Klein
Deputy Whlte Honse Counsel
Sidney Blumenthal
Speclal Advisor to Pirst Lady
David Kessler
Chief of Food & Drug Adininistration
Seth Waxman
Acting Solicitor General
Mark Penn
Presidential Pollster
Dennis Ross
Special Middle East Representative
Howard Shapiro
- General Counsel for the FBI
Lanny Davis
White House Special Counsel
Sally Katzen
Secretary of Management and Budget
Kathleen Koch
Heads FBI Equal Opportunity Office
John Podesta
Deputy Chief of Staff
Alan Blinder
Vice Chairman of Federal Reserve
Janet Yellen
Heads Council of Economlc Advisors
Ron Klain
Chief of Staff for Al Gore
List of some of the Jewish US Ambassadors:
Germany:
Ambassador John C Kornblum
Germany has long been seen as an adversary of the Jews Thus a Jewish Ambassador places them under direct Jewish pressure
France:
Ambassador Felix Rohatyn
Rohatyn is a former partner in the Jewish Lazard Freres investment bank In September the French oil company, "Total," invested $2 billion in the production of oil in Iran Rohatyn is seeking to Veto this project due to Israel's hostility toward Iran Rohatyn said; "Globalization doesn't carry a threat, but it carries discipline"
Poland:
Ambassador Daniel Fried
Chester Grabowski, editor of "The Polish Post Eagle", and others urged Clinton to name a Polish American This plea was ignored There has never been a Jew ambassador to Poland before as Jews hold an animosity toward Poles This is considered as a gross insult Regardless, Fried jokingly said: "I will now have to brush up on their language"
Denmark:
Ambassador Edward E Elson
Dr Fields attended Marist High School in Atlanta with the Elson brothers He learned that their family made a fortune in the textile business and are big contributors to the Democratic Party
Hungary:
Ambassador Donald M Blinken
This country has long been considered "anti-Semitic" Budapest has the largest Jewish population in Europe, some 125,000 Jews, only exceeded by Paris Thus Blinken can protect their financial interests
Romania:
Ambassador Alfred H Moses
At one time Romania was ruled by an allJewish Communist Party under Anna Pauka Romania is closely allied with Israel Six members of the Rumanian Senate, three of them priests, objected to Clinton's 1994 appointment of Moses stating that he was closely connected to the fallen Communist Ceausescu regime
Belgium:
Ambassador Alan J Blinken
Antwerp, Belgium is the diamond capital of the world next to Tel Aviv The diamond business is totally Jew-controlled Blinken is in a position to further protect their interests He is related to the Blinken ambassador to Hungary
Belarus:
Ambassador Kenneth S Yalowitz
Belarus is located between Poland and Russia It once had a huge Jewish population They still have interests there
South Africa:
Ambassador James A Joseph
The Jewish Oppenheimer family controls this gold mining capital of the world The Jewish-run South African Communist Party and the ANC now control the government and loyally do the bidding of the gold interests)
India:
Ambassador Frank G Wisner
This economic powerhouse has long sided with the Arabs against Israel and needs more Zionist control
Turkey:
Ambassador Marc Grossman
The "Kemalist" Turkey is the only Middle East border country with a military alliance with Israel They pose a threat to Syria and Iraq over long simmering border disputes Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was a secret Jewish infiltrator ! This explains the alliance between the Ataturk-influenced military regime in Turkey and the fraudulent and criminal state of Israel! This also explains the opposition of the "kémalian" junta against the rennaisance of Islam amongst the muslim people of Turkey!
New Zealand:
Ambassador Josiah H Beeman
Egypt:
Ambassador Daniel C Kurtzer
Egypt is the recipient of the second largest amount of US foreign aid This is to "buy off" Israel's southern front Any hostility toward Israel would end the aid)
Sweden:
Ambassador Thomas L Siebert
Morocco:
Ambassador Marc C Ginsberg
Singapore:
Ambassador Timothy A Chorba
Zambia:
Ambassador Arlene Render
Brazil:
Ambassador Melvyn Levitsky
This is South America's largest country and economic powerhouse Jews have huge investments here
Bolivia:
Ambassador Curt W Kamman
This is another mineral rich country; copper, magnesium, lead, etc
Mexico:
Ambassador Jeffrey Davidow
Davidow was formerly Assistant Secy Of State for South America under Albright Mexico sends the US more immigrants and trade than any other nation
Canada:
Ambassador Gordon Giffin
Thus Clinton has given both our border neighbors, Mexico and Canada, to Jewish operatives
Cuba:
US Interest Head, Michael G Kozak
One would think that this nation would have a Spanish Catholi "Interest Chief" instead of a Jew???
Norway:
Ambassador David B Hermelin
Hermelin is a Michigan multi-millionaire real estate developer and president of the World Jewish ORT Union Re owns Palace Sports and Entertainment, "The Palace" of Auburn Hills and the "Pine Knob Music Theater"
Switzerland:
Ambassador Madeleine M Kunin
Kunin is the former Democratic governor of Vermont Her four children attended a Hebrew school The New York Times of Oct 4, 1997 says she, "doggedly pursues the Swiss on the issue of gold for holocaust survivors"
Realist

thichi,
interesting articles! i will check on the german weapons deliveries.
update....i just read the original article...the guy was sentenced already. he sold a drilling machine to iraq that can be used to produce artillery canons. the value of the deal 193.000 euros.
there are apparently 80 other german companies that were involved in similar deals. all of these are already known to the UN.
25 US companies did the same thing.
just one question...
England is an oil-producing nation, and the oil lobby in the UK, like in the USA, is powerful. In England using french-fry oil to power your car is considered unpatriotic, and can even land you in court. At the same time, securing the oil of the Middle East, perhaps with England's biggest oil companies as partners in the pumping consortium that will undoubtedly come out of an Iraqi war effort, is promoted to the British public by the corporate-owned British newspapers and similarly corporate-loyal UK politicians. Meanwhile, the British rail system is a mess, and their highways are hopelessly clogged with cars, cars, and more cars. All running on fossil oil.
did you read that part before you posted it?
ThiChi

Yes! A little humor and truth! I met a school teacher who uses this mixture in his tank! hehe
ThiChi

This seems resonable...look what they admit to! "Jews wield disproportionate power in the United States"
MYTH
“Israel gets favorable coverage because American Jews control the media and have disproportionate political influence.”
FACT
If Jews controlled the media, it's not likely you'd hear Jews complaining so much about the anti-Israel bias of the press. It is true that the amount of attention Israel receives is related to the fact that the largest Jewish population in the world is in the United States and that Israel greatly concerns American Jews. Large numbers of Jews do hold significant positions in the media (though they by no means "control" the press as anti-Semites maintain), and the Jewish population is concentrated in major media markets like New York and Los Angeles, so it is not surprising the spotlight would be directed at Israel.
Politically, Jews wield disproportionate power in the United States and use it to advocate policies that strengthen the U.S.-Israel relationship; however, there is no evidence this has translated into favorable press coverage for Israel. It is possible to argue that pro-Arab forces, such as the petrochemical industry, have as much or more influence on the media and encourage an anti-Israel bias.
ThiChi

RU:
this is a good counter point:
"It is possible to argue that pro-Arab forces, such as the petrochemical industry, have as much or more influence on the media and encourage an anti-Israel bias."
If money talks, then this is a great point, true?