Covid lung damage worse than from heavy smoking

by FatFreek 2005 44 Replies latest social current

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    @Sherman: not really, you get the vaccine so you don’t get sick. You can still carry the disease and make others sick although you won’t be a host. If you touch a surface that has the virus, you can keep it alive and transfer it, likewise as it floats in the air, you can sniff it up and sneeze it back out.

    Although the chances are greatly reduced, since you won’t get sick and continuously shed the virus for 2 weeks. So eventually the hope is that sufficient people don’t keep shedding and the virus dies down.

    Alternatively everyone gets sick and the virus burns itself out. This is kind of what happened in NY and NJ, they put everyone that was sick in old people homes, let thousands of people die in the first few weeks and then claimed victory when nobody else was around to die in great numbers. Sweden did a similar thing but protected the elderly. They basically told the elderly to stay home and shelter, let it burn through the young population with minimum casualties and then nobody passed it to the elderly later which minimized overall death.

    There will be residual pockets of outbreaks and death, which we see in polio and HIV for example, even though vaccines are available, not everyone can get them or wants them, but the vaccine should curtail those cases to manageable levels. Countries in Africa and China will continue to be hotbeds for a while though.

  • naja
    naja

    Reality looks a bit different as regards to Sweden:

    https://www.ft.com/content/d1e581a4-b7d9-4215-8a82-b1a4884c592c

  • Simon
    Simon

    I think people are mistaking "testing positive" with "having COVID". There is probably a strong correlation, but unless the tests are guaranteed to have no false positives at all (I've seen figures of 96% due to the wrong test thresholds used) then the "re-infections" are more likely the result of false tests than anything else.

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    @naja: can’t read what’s behind the paywall but I would suggest you look at the statistics. Look up Sweden COVID death rate.

    Sweden had virtually zero deaths until early November. It started out at about 100 per day in the worst and then it tapered down.

    They had lots of infections,their case rate statistics are almost the inverse of their death rates (as I said, they locked down their old age homes while letting young people work and be free). Then November 3rd they started implementing lockdowns similar to other countries because case rates had been “skyrocketing” for nearly 2 months and they implemented restrictions on bars and restaurants. Suddenly their deaths rose to 300 and now 400 per day.

    Now everyone is saying that Sweden was right to begin with.

    The Uk went through the same thing. Remember when Boris Johnson was going to kill everyone by not locking down enough last summer. During that time death rates plummeted from their initial surge. When they tightened the lockdown rules in early September to only groups of 6, there was a surge in deaths once again.

    You may wonder why this is and it’s fairly simple. Let’s say you want to go to the pub or the movies, where are you not: with elderly family, indoors in tight spaces. Let’s say the government tells you you can’t go to the pub or the movies, where are you: visiting your elderly family, staying indoors, more often with family and friends.

    The same happened in California. People were enjoying the summer, suddenly in the middle of a heat wave: no more outdoor dining, no more trips to the beach. Where did everyone go? They went indoors with recirculated air. What happened: deaths skyrocketed.

    Again, not talking about cases. Talk about deaths. Nobody cares if you’re sick, people care if you’re dead.
  • joey jojo
    joey jojo

    Anony Mous:

    "This last notion is important to understand if you don't live in the US. ONLY the vaccines created by the Trump admin have thus far worked. "

    Maybe I've been asleep for the last 6 months, but can you please tell me which vaccines the Trump administration have 'created'?

    According to the CDC only 2 vaccines are approved and authorised for use in the U.S., Moderna (U.K.) and Pfizer(German).

    Have I missed something?

  • shepherdless
    shepherdless
    According to the CDC only 2 vaccines are approved and authorised for use in the U.S., Moderna (U.K.) and Pfizer(German).

    Just to clarify; Pfizer is an American multinational, However, Pfizer did not develop the “Pfizer vaccine”. It was developed by BioNTech, a German company, and Pfizer has distribution and marketing rights.

    My understanding is that, as a result, neither Pfizer nor BioNTech received any “Warp Speed” funding. About the only thing the Trump administration can take credit for, is getting both vaccines approved quickly.

  • Simon
    Simon
    My understanding is that, as a result, neither Pfizer nor BioNTech received any “Warp Speed” funding. About the only thing the Trump administration can take credit for, is getting both vaccines approved quickly.

    They received a $2bn purchase order in advance of the vaccine being developed. Stop pretending there was no involvement.

  • Sherman
    Sherman

    Some other things they are finding out about this virus .....

    Mayo Clinic article .....

    COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects

    COVID-19 symptoms can sometimes persist for months. The virus can damage the lungs, heart and brain, which increases the risk of long-term health problems.

    By Mayo Clinic Staff

    Most people who have coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) recover completely within a few weeks. But some people — even those who had mild versions of the disease — continue to experience symptoms after their initial recovery.

    These people sometimes describe themselves as "long haulers" and the condition has been called post-COVID-19 syndrome or "long COVID-19."

    Older people and people with many serious medical conditions are the most likely to experience lingering COVID-19 symptoms, but even young, otherwise healthy people can feel unwell for weeks to months after infection. The most common signs and symptoms that linger over time include:

    • Fatigue
    • Shortness of breath
    • Cough
    • Joint pain
    • Chest pain

    Other long-term signs and symptoms may include:

    • Muscle pain or headache
    • Fast or pounding heartbeat
    • Loss of smell or taste
    • Memory, concentration or sleep problems
    • Rash or hair loss

    Video: Long-term symptoms, complications of COVID-19

    Organ damage caused by COVID-19

    Although COVID-19 is seen as a disease that primarily affects the lungs, it can damage many other organs as well. This organ damage may increase the risk of long-term health problems. Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

    • Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
    • Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
    • Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.

    Blood clots and blood vessel problems

    COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle.

    Other parts of the body affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels and cause them to leak, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.

    Problems with mood and fatigue

    People who have severe symptoms of COVID-19 often have to be treated in a hospital's intensive care unit, with mechanical assistance such as ventilators to breathe. Simply surviving this experience can make a person more likely to later develop post-traumatic stress syndrome, depression and anxiety.

    Because it's difficult to predict long-term outcomes from the new COVID-19 virus, scientists are looking at the long-term effects seen in related viruses, such as the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

    Many people who have recovered from SARS have gone on to develop chronic fatigue syndrome, a complex disorder characterized by extreme fatigue that worsens with physical or mental activity, but doesn't improve with rest. The same may be true for people who have had COVID-19.

    Many long-term COVID-19 effects still unknown

    Much is still unknown about how COVID-19 will affect people over time. However, researchers recommend that doctors closely monitor people who have had COVID-19 to see how their organs are functioning after recovery.

    Many large medical centers are opening specialized clinics to provide care for people who have persistent symptoms or related illnesses after they recover from COVID-19.

    It's important to remember that most people who have COVID-19 recover quickly. But the potentially long-lasting problems from COVID-19 make it even more important to reduce the spread of the disease by following precautions such as wearing masks, avoiding crowds and keeping hands clean.

  • Rivergang
    Rivergang

    It has long been observed that "success has many authors", and this is certainly true in the case of the development of vaccines for COVID-19.

    According to www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/explaining-operation-warp-speed

    - AstraZeneca received USD$1.2 billion to "support manufacturing and delivery" of their vaccine.

    - Pfizer / BioNtech received USD$1.95 billion to support the "large scale manufacturing and nationwide distribution" of their vaccine.

    Further, though, in June of 2020, BioNtech also received a 100 million Euro loan from the European Investment Bank, followed by a 375 million Euro grant from the German government - all to assist its R&D of a COVID-19 vaccine.

    PS: I know I am a latecomer in this discussion, but isn't it time to step back a pace, and everybody take a deep breath!

  • FedUpJW
    FedUpJW

    Well one thing is sure, the planned outcome of COVID by the Chinese, Faux-ci, bill gates and the rest of the population reduction globalists is working.

    Stay afraid. Kneel to your government masters, obey their every dictate, and all will be well.

    Thumb down votes will not change the facts.

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