yep....me too Pete....fucking insanity.
Covid lung damage worse than from heavy smoking
by FatFreek 2005 44 Replies latest social current
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perdurabo
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perdurabo
It's gaslighting to gas chamber standard.
And I ain't going in there.
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Sherman
So being that people who have had Covid can get reinfected in spite of having build up some immunity to the virus, taking a vaccine would block that from happening doesn't make common sense ?
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FedUpJW
taking a vaccine would block that from happening doesn't make common sense ?
Where is your proof that the vaccine would block anyone from being reinfected? Studying the Bible with JW's and getting baptized as one will block you from being lovingly killed at Armageddon too I have heard!
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Anony Mous
There is no proof of anyone being reinfected at this point. There are less than a half dozen cases across the world which is statistical noise.
All we have is proof that people can test positive multiple times, we also have proof the current testing regiment triggers on anything remotely related to COVID, including other coronaviruses and dead remnant particles of the virus.
Viruses don't work that way, unless they mutate, you won't get re-infected unless we have the whole field of biology very, very wrong for nearly 2 centuries. COVID seems to be able to mutate very slowly, the recombinant vaccine seems to be able to capture the extant mutations.
What is possible is that someone (China) creates another form of the virus using genetic manipulation. They sent COVID in ice cream the other day while claiming their entire country has zero infections. Either they're lying about the number of infected, or they're intentionally sending COVID.
The vaccine will help, that's what vaccinations are designed to do. So will getting sick, that's what it's designed to do. Look at any other viral disease - Polio, Chicken Pox. The only way to get sick multiple times is to contract different versions of the disease. So in some cases, it may still be necessary to get polio vaccines if you already contracted polio, because there are 3 polio variants in the world and you should get vaccinated against the other 2.
COVID-19 (aka the Trump virus) is by definition 1 variant of the coronavirus, you will still get sick with the common cold which is also a coronavirus, but until there is a COVID-21 (by prior definition will be called the Biden virus), this COVID-19 vaccine (by prior definition the Trump vaccine) created by Operation Warpspeed and funded globally by the US will protect you against all currently extant variations of COVID-19.
This last notion is important to understand if you don't live in the US. ONLY the vaccines created by the Trump admin have thus far worked. China's Sinovac has a 50% efficacy (basically a coin toss whether you get immunity) and Russia's vaccine has major side effects and was cancelled. I know in the EU, Brazil and some other socialist countries you can get Sinovac or will get Sinovac, those don't work or at least not very well. Hop on a plane to Florida like every other rich person in the world to get in line for a proper distribution system. Don't go to NY where we've so far destroyed 70% of our supply because it went out of date, because NYS wants to prioritize people based on race and hasn't even started distribution to the general population yet.
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Sherman
People can catch COVID-19 twice. That’s the emerging consensus among health experts who are learning more about the possibility that those who’ve recovered from the coronavirus can get it again. So far, the phenomenon doesn't appear to be widespread—with a few hundred reinfection cases reported worldwide—yet those numbers are likely to expand as the pandemic continues.
Identifying reinfections is tricky: Not only does it take a while for subsequent bouts to show up, health departments must make sure that alleged cases really are reinfections because coronavirus residue can linger for weeks. For example, University of Alabama football coach Nick Saban made headlines just before Thanksgiving when he tested positive for a second time. But it is unclear if he was truly reinfected because of a blindspot in how officials screened for cases during his first episode back in October.
Because COVID-19 reinfections are still relatively rare, they can’t be blamed for the ongoing surges. Still, these incidents could be unwelcome news for coronavirus veterans who have been hoping their experience might have given them a so-called immunity passport. Such accounts show that recovering from the SARS-CoV2 coronavirus isn’t an excuse to shed masks and flout social-distancing rules while the pandemic is in full swing. In October, an 89-year-old Dutch woman was the first documented death of someone who had contracted the coronavirus a second time.
Immunity may wane over time—just like it does with other kinds of coronaviruses—and getting sick may even prime some people to suffer worse symptoms if they catch the virus a second time.
Take this case study, published in October in The Lancet: In early April, a 25-year-old Nevada man showed up to a community testing center complaining of a sore throat, cough, headache, and nausea. Sure enough, he tested positive for COVID-19, and he went home to isolate. In the weeks that followed, two more tests confirmed he had fully recovered. Yet by the end of May, the coronavirus had struck again. This time, he came down with an even worse case that was marked by shortness of breath and required him to go to the emergency room for oxygen.
Other countries have also reported reinfection rates that suggest the true global toll is unknown but potentially dangerous. Last month, Sweden launched an investigation into 150 cases. In Brazil, scientists are tracking 95 cases. And Mexico claimed to have 258 reinfection cases as of mid-October—nearly 15 percent of which were severe, and 4 percent were fatal. The nation’s datasets show that people who suffered from serious first cases were more likely to be hospitalized with subsequent infections.
“The takeaway is that reinfection is certainly possible,” says Richard Tillett, a biostatistician at the Nevada Institute of Personalized Medicine at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and lead author of the case study. “It seems uncommon and maybe even rare. But it’s real and can happen.”
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Sherman
One thing that certainly cant be disputed is this is one whacky virus.
You get get the virus and be asymptomatic, no health issues or very little, and pass it to others or you can get it and end up taken to a Hospital eventually dying from it.
Excuse my ignorance but I dont remember ever coming across this kind of situation, I'm in my 60's.
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pistolpete
Sherman
So being that people who have had Covid can get reinfected in spite of having build up some immunity to the virus, taking a vaccine would block that from happening doesn't make common sense ?
Actually to me it does not make sense, but I understand why you feel it makes sense. We both have different perspectives.
You are having to rely on what Ellen Foxman, and Cynthia Leifer both immunologists, one at Yale School of Medicine and the other at Cornell University, and what they had to say about reinfection.
Do you know who these people are? ---Can you trust them?
Have you heard of Theodore John Kaczynski? He graduated from Harvard with a degree in mathematics. He went on to get his Master’s and Doctoral degree in mathematics, from the University of Michigan where he was offered a teaching position.
Because the guy was so smart.
Then out of the blue;
For a period of several weeks in 1966, Kaczynski experienced intense sexual fantasies of being a female and decided to undergo gender transition.
You can google him and read the rest of the story. But my point is, just because some of these people have degrees in certain fields, doesn’t mean they know everything about every virus.
OR THAT THEY ARE SANE.
Me on the other hand, I’ve been going to school since I left home at 18. I take a few classes every year. My first degree I got was in Business Administration, My second degree was in Science and I majored in Biology. So I’ve taken courses in biology, microbiology, immunology, virology, etc.
I have an understanding on how a virus works and how the immune system works.
I’m not an expert in the field but I know enough to know that when someone like these two immunologist claim that the vaccine prevents reinfection, -----well that’s just a bunch of crock.
There is no way they can know that. There has not been enough case studies to make that claim official.
You mentioned Alabama football coach Nick Saban made HEADLINES, an 89-year-old Dutch woman was the first documented death of someone who had contracted the coronavirus a second time, Sweden launched an investigation into 150 cases, Brazil, scientists are tracking 95 cases, Mexico claimed to have 258 reinfection cases as of mid-October—nearly 15 percent of which were severe, and 4 percent were fatal---and so on.
These are just HEADLINES!
They are not official studies proving that those who now have immunity NEED TO GET VACCINATED.
But I understand the feeling when one lacks an understanding in a certain field, the tendency is to depend on those who are suppose to know what they are talking about.
When this Virus started last March, Dr Fauci came out on TV several times admonishing all the people that they didn’t need to wear a mask.
Then Fauci said this virus is NOT SOMETHING THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES SHOULD WORRY ABOUT. Here's the clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooZdq9qHNg8
Now Fauci is gun-ho in warning everyone that they need to wear a mask.
And he is the EXPERT leading the Country.
It seems more like all these people advocating vaccination for those who already got Covid have something at stake. Probably money or job security.
I personally feel that each individual should decide what he wants to do, get the vaccine or don’t. When someone gets the COVID VIRUS, the results will be different for each person. Some die an excruciating death, others lose lung efficiency, and others like me didn’t even notice we got it.
It is all dependent on MANY FACTORS. Age, underline health conditions, Governor Como locking you up in a Nursing home, and then there’s the genetic makeup of each individual.
Why should I get the vaccine, when I got COVID,and I didn’t even noticed it, not even a sniffle.
No vaccine for me!
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Anony Mous
@Sherman: You are misinterpreting the science. Yes, you can TEST POSITIVE for COVID multiple times. I have a family member who tested positive and negative on and off daily for 6 weeks straight (worked in a nursing home).
However unless biology is completely wrong, you cannot get infected with SARS-CoV-2 and develop COVID-19 after you've already obtained SARS-CoV-2 and went through the entire COVID-19 lifecycle.
The case studies and news articles you point to are about people testing positive multiple times, or getting sick, getting better and relapsing, or people that tested negative while being on treatment and then test positive again. That isn't completely unsurprising given the replication levels during testing give you orders of magnitude higher chance at false positive than they should be. There are also a margin where you can test and get false negatives. In most cases these relapses were in EU, Brazil, Mexico where many testing is done using Chinese-sourced test kits which have ~20% failure rate.
Now the question is whether you have been sick and tested positive, should you get vaccinated:
- I believe yes, as I said, the tests give orders of magnitude too many false positives. It is entirely possible you got a flu or a common cold, tested positive for COVID because you were too close to someone with actual COVID and some remnants of dead virus were in your nasal tract.
- If you have been part of a research study or you got a private COVID testing done, and your COVID-testing was done with blood samples, and that proved positive, then NO, it isn't necessary to get vaccinated. You have immunity, that's what the blood test tests for, whether you have T-cells that attack COVID-19 samples, and if you have immunity, that means you were infected at one point.
This also means, if you have your blood tested after the vaccine, you will test 'positive' for COVID-19 blood testing.
Note: I have been involved in HIV and other immunology research. Again, it is possible, but extremely unlikely that we are collectively wrong about viruses or about COVID-19 in particular. If COVID-19 was a 'designer virus' or mutates extremely quickly it could indeed be possible to get multiple infections, to date, there is no evidence of that, if we had evidence of that, we'd have no vaccine.
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Sherman
Interesting stuff guys but isn't the whole idea behind vaccinating the entire population whether you were asymptomatic or not is that you dont transfer the virus to someone who may become symptomatic ?