Guns...Are You For or Against Legally Owning Them?

by minimus 59 Replies latest jw friends

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  cyberjesus

  To be able to protect your life, your freedom and your property.

  the problem is not the guns, is the education of the people.

  a black person carrying a gun has an increased risk of dying of a gun wound than a white non carriyng... ironic

  the problem with crime is not guns... it's economic, poverty is increased by the non protection of property.

  having to ask permission to own a gun.... is that person really free?

  times have changed.. owning a gun serves a different purpose than 200 years ago.

  an effective justice system reduces the need to solve disputes with violence

  reduction of poverty also reduces violent crime.

  we don't need more laws we need more education

  we don't need more guns we need better justice systems, more education, less poverty and the ability to protect your property. many taxes and fines and the banking system is approved robbery.

  we are better off than 200 years ago.... but we still have a long path to walk
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  TD

  here in the UK the vast majority of people have no wish--or the means--to blow holes in each other.

  The U.S. and the U.K. are an interesting comparison in extremes

  We take the right of self protection to one extreme

  You take it to the other

  It's true that your gun violence is infinitesimal compared to ours and for that you can be proud

  It's also equally true that a 50kg woman in the U.K. cannot even carry a pinky-size pepper spray aerosol on her key chain and other than crying out for help has no realistic defense against a 115kg male assailant.

  You have taken the right of self protection away from those who need it the most and this is reflected in your crime stats even after they have been adjusted for our respective methods or reporting sexual assault...
  
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  FedUpJW

  I have a saying, "You can haul one horse in a ten horse trailer much easier than you can haul ten in a one horse trailer." To those who understand how this applies to firearm ownership, no explanation is needed; to those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
  
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  Anony Mous

  When people compare the UK to the US with absolute numbers, they forget that the UK is just one state (although soon to be liberated) in the EU.

  So you really have to compare something equally sized and populated such as Minnesota (D) or Utah (R) or London to Chicago or LA, not NYC or compare the entire EU to the US.

  Same goes with COVID and other comparisons. Then there's also the classification problems, the US still counts suicide as murder and suicide is included in gun deaths, in Europe suicide and consensual murder is largely legal and not counted. Hell, both the Netherlands and the UK won't count a murder if there is no-one reporting the murder to the police, they'll pick up the body and wait to count until there is someone willing to stake a legal claim.

  When looking at true comparisons, Europe is about as safe as Detroit when it comes to violent crime, and no sane American wants to live in Detroit.
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  RubaDub

  are gun owners in the US required to participate in ongoing gun training?

  @joey ...

  In most cases, the only training here you need in the US is being able to fog a mirror if one is put under your nose.
  
  
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  joey jojo

  Rub, the topic of gun ownership keeps popping up here.

  My personal opinion is that buying a gun and believing that you are safe is lazy and delusional, particularly if you don't educate yourself by taking regular courses in the use of guns, especially in high pressure situations.

  I'm not anti gun, but the thought that people can conceal carry without ongoing training is dangerous for everyone. In a real life scenario, you have half a chance of blowing your own arse off before you stop any crime.
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  Justaguynamedmorph

  Concealed carry requires on going training in Maryland.

  “In a real life scenario, you have half a chance of blowing your own arse off before you stop any crime.”

  the facts do not bear that out in any respect.
  
  
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  MeanMrMustard

  After the recent “protests”, I have witnessed first hand the raw deterrent power of an armed populace. When threats were issued, all it took was the display of weaponry combined with a credible claim they could be used and the looters went the other way.
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  LV101

  It's our right and I totally understand the importance now more than ever.
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  Rivergang

  Joey,

  I have certainly seen that - some bumbling amateur with a 9mm automatic.

  The only safe person within this guy's vicinity was the one he was trying to shoot!