Who is The Lord?

by JW Answers 70 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  TTWSYF

  TPWSYF - You have lied repeatedly that you have already answered my challenge. I invited you to simply provide a link to the post where you did so. I promised that if you did that then I would apologise. I predicted you would refuse to backup your lies with a link.

  I was correct.

  First off, I am TTWSYF. That stands for 'The Truth Will Set You Free. Not 'The Phalanx Will Set You Fuc*&^%., OK Cofty?

  I am going to address your request with 100% sincerity. My analogy of time comparing to the Trinitarian Godhead was just an analogy. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost in the[true] Christian faith of the Trinity is like the relationship of time in so much as past, present and future are all equally time. Just an analogy. So here is my personal take on the trinity. This is just my take on something that cannot be explained. Not ashamed to acknowledge that I cannot explain the trinity...so here goes.

  God, the Father is an awesome being. Too awesome for comprehension. He [although, not a male or female, but is a fatherly person] is so awesome that when he speaks, his word/s are alive. He is God and he spoke us into existence. His words are alive. His word is Jesus and he is not only the word of God in law, he is also the spirit of God's law. That's how awesome that God the Father is. Because Jesus is God's word [in spirit], Jesus has all of the authority of God the Father. He is like the hand of God. Now because God loves his word, which is alive. He loves his word with so much love that his LOVE is alive. That;s how awesome God is, that not only is his word alive, but his love is alive also. To me, his love is the Holy spirit. Not an active force, but true to the scriptures, showing all the attributes of a coherent being. Hope that's short and sweet enough for you.

  coftya day ago

  Steel - I was an evangelical xtian. I probably understand theology better than most christians.

  The trinity is nowhere in the bible.

  Posts like this make me thing that I'm just wasting time with you. You are excessively arrogant and condescending. Are you worth me replying anymore?

  You seem to be suggesting that the trinity is not in the bible

  Definitely not. The bible states point blank that the Father, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are God. The word trinity was not recorded until the church father Terturllian I believe

  but the Catholic church have a special line to God which trumps scripture.

  the smartest thing that you have ever written in my mind. Why would I think such a thing, do you think?

  Shall we chat about the nest of pedophiles that is otherwise known as the Roman Catholic clergy sometime?

  I hate that. Just like everyone else. Want to talk about it here? Start a post topic

  TTWSYF, not TPWSYF
  
  
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  jonahstourguide

  "If you cannot explain something simply, you simply don't understand the topic well enough yourself".

  Just my two bobs worth. Apparently a well respected smart guy said something like that.
  

  I've watched this topic with great interest and there are more questions than answers regarding the trinity concept.

  That in itself speaks volumes with respect to bible eisegesis and seriously questions the same.

  As a layman, I wouldn't mind reading a succinct scriptural answer. Or, has our time in religion fused our neurons !?
  

  jtg
  
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  john.prestor

  Love is alive? A coherent being? That doesn't make any sense. How could a being not be coherent?
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  cofty

  Well it has only taken 7 pages, countless requests and endless insults and personal attacks but at last you have made an attempt at answering my question. Thank you.

  I have edited down the key paragraph to make it easier to identify the three parts of the trinity. If you think my editing has misrepresented your views in any way please let me know.

  God, the Father is an awesome being ... His words are alive. His word is Jesus ... Jesus has all of the authority of God the Father. He is like the hand of God ... He loves his word with so much love that his LOVE is alive ... To me, his love is the Holy spirit. Not an active force, but true to the scriptures, showing all the attributes of a coherent being. - TPWSYF

  I am really struggling to see how your description gets us even close to the christian trinity but I'm going to have another read at it over the weekend and then get back to you with a thoughtful reply.
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  TTWSYF

  at last you have made an attempt at answering my question. Thank you.

  
  I'm going to have another read at it over the weekend and then get back to you with a thoughtful reply.

  My first thought is 'who are you and what did you do to Cofty?' But I'll await your reply....lol

  TTWSYF
  
  
  
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  TTWSYF

  Love is alive? A coherent being? That doesn't make any sense. How could a being not be coherent?
  

  
  

  My point being that in the scriptures, the Holy Ghost/Spirit has the attributes of a person and not just a force as promoted by the WTS. Described as 'he' who can mourn, grieve, love, get angry, etc. Things that a being does, not an inanimate force.

  TTWSYF
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  TTWSYF

  Cofty says

  My challenge remains. Please describe the trinity simply in your own words, without self-contradiction and without resorting to esoteric theological terms.

  My reply was

  God, the Father is an awesome being. Too awesome for comprehension. He [although, not a male or female, but is a fatherly person] is so awesome that when he speaks, his word/s are alive. He is God and he spoke us into existence. His words are alive. His word is Jesus and he is not only the word of God in law, he is also the spirit of God's law. That's how awesome that God the Father is. Because Jesus is God's word [in spirit], Jesus has all of the authority of God the Father. He is like the hand of God. Now because God loves his word, which is alive. He loves his word with so much love that his LOVE is alive. That;s how awesome God is, that not only is his word alive, but his love is alive also. To me, his love is the Holy spirit. Not an active force, but true to the scriptures, showing all the attributes of a coherent being.

  Was his challenge answered? I think 'yes'

  What say you?

  TTWSYF
  
  
  
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  cofty

  Just noticed I have unfinished business here. My apologies TTWSYF. I will reply asap
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  TTWSYF

  This is me holding my breath
  

  You were expecting the description of a grotesque 3 headed monster God like pastor Russell taught?! LOL
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  fulano

  It's amazing to see how such a silly book, or books as you wish, causes so much division, different opinions and enmity. The word of god, my a*s. Bad written, contradictory, full of fairy tales. Thinking back of the days we discussed on saturday mornings, in our town full of reformed people at the doors trinity for hours and ours. Agitated, ridiculous.