Whatever is bound on EARTH is already Loosed in Heaven

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  • Alex Williams
    Alex Williams

    When a person is guilty and worthy of punishment, the judgment ‘will already have been bound in heaven Jesus said and if they are loosed or innocent it will already have been “loosed in heaven..

    In such judicial deliberations, Jesus says, “where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.”

    Psalm 127:3.

    Children are a sacred trust, “an inheritance from Jehovah

    JWs abhor child abuse and view it as a crime.Its recognized that the authorities are responsible for addressing such crimes.JWs do not shield any perpetrator of child abuse from the authorities as has been alleged.
    Victims and their parents have the right to report an accusation of child abuse to the authorities

    All such cases are reported to the branch office

    Child abuse is a serious sin. If an alleged abuser is a member of the congregation, an investigation is conducted according to Scriptural instructions ,any
    member of the congregation who is an unrepentant child abuser is expelled from the congregation and
    is no longer considered one of JWs. If on the other hand If it is determined that one guilty of child sexual abuse is repentant they will remain in the congregation
    How that is determined is clear by Jesus own words :

    "where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.”

    They are guilty but not worthy of removal from the congregation


    Reporting to civil authorities

    Cases of alleged abuse are reported to secular authorities if required by local laws or as instructed by the local branch office.

    A press release issued in 2002 by Jehovah's Witnesses' Office of Public Information stated: "In addition to making a report to the branch office, the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities. If so, the elders receive proper legal direction to ensure that they comply with the law."[7] The Watchtower has outlined the following policy: "Depending on the law of the land where he lives, the molester may well have to serve a prison term or face other sanctions from the State. The congregation will not protect him from this."[6] A 2002 memo to all congregations stated: "Our position is that secular authorities deal with crime while elders deal with sin."[8] Even where there is no mandatory reporting requirement, victims or others having knowledge of an incident of sexual abuse must not be discouraged from reporting it.

    JWs are being accused of covering up child sexual abuse but where is this really coming from

    Rev 12-7

    And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el*+ and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but they did not prevail,* nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon+ was hurled, the original serpent,+ the one called Devil+ and Satan,+ who is misleading the entire inhabited earth;+ he was hurled down to the earth,

    I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come to pass the salvation+ and the power and the Kingdom of our God+ and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!

    Satan is an accuser ,he was that in heaven before his ouster and continues today while on the earth,with that said I'm not saying there were no mistakes made by imperfect men who handled sexual abuse but as a whole the organization is committed to feeding Christ sheep and caring for their needs as a loving Shepard entrusted with the feeding of his the Kings sheep.

    Christ is depicted with 7 stars in his right hand

    Rev 1-16 NWT
    And he had in his right hand seven stars

    These are his shepherds as Head of the congregation, Christ has full control of the bodies of elders. If someone on a body truly needs correction, the One who has “eyes as a fiery flame” will see to it that this is done in His own time and way.

    Meanwhile the Devils religious system is nearing collapse:


    Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again.+ 22 And the sound of singers who accompany themselves on the harp, of musicians, of flutists, and of trumpeters will never be heard in you again. And no craftsman who practices any trade will ever be found in you again, and no sound of a millstone will ever be heard in you again. 23 No light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again;

    and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again;

  • Mrtheocracy

    Well said Alex,

    The problem is you gave too many facts. Most of the audience here is not interested in facts but rather they want comfort. They have made a decision to leave the truth so now they want confirmation that they have made the right choice, so they come to this site to receive negative information ( true or false info ...it doesn’t matter to them) all to feel better about their choice. What you have here is a case of “They have made their beds but in reality they do not want to lay in them”.

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    If the WTS abhorred child abuse they would have signed up to the redress scheme in Australia. Their absence is regularly noted.

    Just like the Roman Catholic Church, where each is only concerned for its own image rather than with justice or for the care of children.


  • johnamos

    hey Alex and Mrtheocracy…do you know what the following shows???

    Insight Vol 2 - Because of having been resurrected by his friend Jesus, Lazarus was likely alive Pentecost 33 C.E., when the holy spirit was poured out and the first ones of the heavenly calling (Heb 3:1) were anointed and spirit begotten. (Ac 2:1-4, 33, 38)

    5-1-90 WT p.26 par.9 - Martha knew about that hope from her association with Jesus, for she had previously said to him regarding Lazarus: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day. (John 11:24) She knew that the resurrection would be, not on his (Lazarus’) last day, but in the future, “on the last day—Judgment Day, when the dead would be raised under God’s Kingdom rule.

    John 6:39 This is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose none out of all those whom he has given me, but that I should resurrect them on the last day. (Compare - John 17:12, 18:9)

    7-1-98 WT p.21 par.12 - That “last day” coincides with the Thousand Year Reign of Christ. (Revelation 20:6) Imagine the excitement during that “day” when this grand event begins!

    Revelation 20:6 Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.

    Insight Vol 1 - PRESENCE -The Greek word from which “presence” is translated is pa·rou·siʹa, formed from pa·raʹ (alongside) and ou·siʹa (being; derived from ei·miʹ, meaning “be”). Hence, pa·rou·siʹa means, literally, “being alongside,” that is, a “presence.”

    2 Thess 2:1 However, brothers, concerning the presence “being alongside of our Lord Jesus Christ, namely* our being gathered together to him,

    * (Greek kai)

    Matthew 24: 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

    1 Corinthians 15:51 Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep in death, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, 52 in the twinkling of an eye, 'at' the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world (Satan’s) has become the kingdom of our Lord (Jehovah) and of his Christ (Jesus)

    [1-15- 14 WT – IN THE spring of the year 31 on a mountain close to the town of Capernaum, Jesus Christ taught his followers to pray: “Let your Kingdom come.” (Matthew 6:10) Today, many doubt if the Kingdom will ever come. However, we are confident that Jehovah will answer our prayers for his Kingdom to come.]

    [11-15-55 WT -. …Satan’s kingdom ends completely at Armageddon.]

    [9-1-91 WT – Almighty God has set a time limit to Satan’s activity among mankind. When that time limit arrives, destruction will come upon the world lying in Satan’s power.]

  • Mrtheocracy


    JW’s preach and stand by the belief that the only true solution for mans problems is GOD’s Kingdom. Gods Kingdom is has the only solution to right the wrong of the effects of the SOCIETAL problem of child abuse

  • Quick Brown Fox
    Quick Brown Fox

    To Alex and Mr "Theocracy"

    Your ignorant comments are an insult to the many thousands of child abuse victims who have experienced, and continue to experience, untold suffering at the hands of your corrupt religion. In the Australian Royal Commission alone it was found that the JW organisation had records relating to over 1800 cases of child abuse and NOT ONE had been reported to the authorities. NOT ONE. If you think that is even remotely acceptable, you have not one shred of decency. You come here to defend that? It's indefensible and abhorrent. I would suggest it is YOU who are not interested in facts. You should be ashamed.

  • Hairtrigger

    Alex and Theo.. whatever the fuck your name is

    You come here to preach your JW garbage and uphold the Watchtower’s shitty interpretations of a Stone Age book that has no credibility whatsoever. Yet YOU Alex run like your ass Is on fire when someone invites you into a discussion- like one older member did regarding evolution and creation- because you have no answers and very little knowledge on the subject and CANNOT defend your beliefs in the light of reason and science. But that is a trademark with all you JW SLAVES of this cult. When you cannot defend your beliefs your excuse is “” We don’t want to argue”.

    And you Theocracy you ass kissing Soiled underwear - you fucking dare to call your elders and GB members abusing children “ a SOCIETAL PROBLEM”? How is it a societal problem when YOU are no part of the “world” . You have a “ INSULATED JW WORLD where this child abuse is happening - YOUR cloistered society- yet you blame this problem on Satan’s worldly society” you hypocritical piece of watchtower dung! You have no solution for the thousands who have been mentally physically and emotionally ruined and no sympathy or empathy and not a word of consolation but you blame “worldly society” for your wrongdoings and criminal acts!

    You speak of “truth” . Try to accept and have the moral courage to admit to the real truth! You are a bunch of liars who uphold evil and lies and each of you is complicit in shielding the pedophile predators that abound and are encouraged in your organization!

  • Listener

    From the recent Watchtower

    Cases of alleged abuse are reported to secular authorities if required by local laws or as instructed by the local branch office.

    Thanks Alex, I missed that comment first time around.

    Its been come knowledge to most of us that they claim that they will call the Police if they are required to do so by law. What we aren't aware of is if it's not required by law then the branch office may still instruct (whomever???) to call Police.

    They do not explain under what circumstances they would direct someone to call the police.

    They also don't explain that this happens rarely, if ever. Why even mention it?

    It's just more of Watchtower's slippery talk. They make it sound like the Branch directs the Elders to call the Police and that is why they need to call the Branch. It explains why a lot of JWs believe that the Elders do make sure the Police are told.

  • Alex Williams
    Alex Williams

    Any JWs judicial deliberations are theocratic and not privy to the pubic as sharing in the knowledge of decisions or sins committed by individuals.

    Sexual abuse cases are reported to secular authorities if required by local laws or as instructed by the local branch office. Victims in the congregation have the right to report an accusation of child abuse to the police,covering up would entail preventing victims from going to the police.JWs organization is a theocracy.

    The term theocracy signifies belief in governance by divine guidance, a form of regime in which religion or faith plays the dominant role. It denotes thus a political unit governed by a deity or by officials thought to be divinely guided. The word theocracy originates from the Greek theokratia.

    In this case Jehovah is the deity who guides and directs his visible organization.

    Deut 32
    Vengeance is mine, and retribution,+At the appointed time when their foot slips,+For the day of their disaster is near,And what awaits them will come quickly.’

  • days of future passed
    days of future passed

    Will Alex and MrTheocracy be like a great many of the Catholics that stayed with the church after the pedophile priests were revealed? People in the hall were shaking their heads in puzzlement when it first came out. How could those church goers stay with that corrupt religion?

    Well, I'm sure there will be many excuses along the lines of "They are just imperfect men - Jehovah is cleaning house - those were just wolves in the congregations - they made mistakes..."

    I just want to reiterate:

    WT says - Cases of alleged abuse are reported to secular authorities if required by local laws - meaning if there isn't a law mandating this, they will not report.

    or as instructed by the local branch office. - which is what they have been instructed to do for all these years. Call them first. No reporting to the police.

    Alex wrote - Satan is an accuser ,he was that in heaven before his ouster and continues today while on the earth,with that said I'm not saying there were no mistakes made by imperfect men who handled sexual abuse but as a whole the organization is committed to feeding Christ sheep and caring for their needs as a loving Shepard entrusted with the feeding of his the Kings sheep.

    At the Australian Royal Commission hearings, elders were questioned about how they handled cases of children being sexually abused. First they said, they called the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society to get advice. The advice they got, was articles that had been published in the literature - and that was read to them. At no time were they told to call the police.

    The elders were asked, if they warned anyone about these pedophiles. No they did not.

    Did they know that if you were in area that mandated police notification, that they could held accountable? One elder was quite taken aback when he realized that he could in trouble.

    So did the WT instruct these elders to report to the police as required? No.

    Pedophiles are often repeat offenders. If you research you will find that treatment to completely cure a person of this, is difficult if not impossible. There are therapies that try to help curb the desire. Look at the Catholic priests. Sent from one place to another and destroying more children's lives and their families.

    So this principle applies to the WT: Exodus 21:29 But if a bull was in the habit of goring and it's owner had been warned but he would not keep it under guard and it killed a man or a woman, the bull should be stoned and its owner is also to be put to death.

    Knowing that a person has committed this crime and it is not reported to the police, makes the elders and the WT responsible from then on. It allows this person to find other victims in the hall or out in the world, without authorities or parents knowing the danger.

    Since we don't put people to death because of a bull, the next verses applies to the WT now. v30 If a ransom is imposed on him, he must give as a redemption price for his life all that may be imposed on him. v31 Whether it gored a son or a daughter, it is to be done to the bull's owner according to this judicial decision.

    According to the bible, this is the justice for their negligence and failure to report to the authorities.

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