ADAM AND EVE CREATED SAME YEAR says Jehovah's channel:

by garybuss 56 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • archangel01
    archangel01
    Gary: There is a very strong allusion made to this idea in last weeks WT study (January 1, 2003 p18). After quoting Jesus words at Luke 12:40 "At an hour that you do not think likely the Son of man is coming." they go on to state: "We can derive another lesson from Jesus' illustration. Although the slaves did not know the hour when their master would arrive, apparently, they knew the night.

    Wrong. The other script that they don't state is Jesus also said NOONE WOULD KNOW THE DAY OR HOUR. How many hours are in a day.....24 and Jesus said not evening the hour. Here is another fine example of NOT reading ALL the scriptures that go along with that statement. WTS has a bad habit of taking things out of contexts. The end will come just like when sept. 11 happened. It was on a day just like any other day and at a hour noone would have throught of. Sept 11. 2001 is a very good example on getting the point or true meaning across of what Jesus said about the end or his second coming.

    The second coming of Christ is going to happen at a time/day that noone will know.Thats why everyone is to keep on the watch because you don't know.I think the course of things that lead up to it is a sign but then that peace and safety script come into play.Thats the time when you take note when everyone thinks that everything is cool and fine.So its kind of like when your waiting to get something in the mail someone comes along and said "Why are you waiting or maybe it got lost in the mail or don't worried about it" but you don't buy into that and you wait then one day it comes and your right there opening the door before the person even has a chance to said mail man. The WTS are not following the Bible and taking the scripts out of context, I mean how many times can they cry wolf. Jesus say not to listen to people like that but to listen to HIM.

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    Thanks artful. That was interesting. And thanks archangel01 for exposing the omitted supporting verses. Good work. Thanks!

    Anyone have more?

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Here is a quote from the WT on the matter :-

    *** w76 7/15 437-8 Keeping a Balanced View of Time ***


    25 What, then, does this mean? Simply this: That these factors, and the possibilities for which they allow, prevent us from saying with any positiveness how much time elapsed between Adam’s creation and that of the first woman. We do not know whether it was a brief time such as a month or a few months, a year or even more. But whatever time elapsed would have to be added to the time that has passed since Adam’s creation in order for us to know how far along we are within God’s seventh "day," his grand day of rest. So our having advanced six thousand years from the start of human existence is one thing. Advancing six thousand years into God’s seventh creative "day" is quite another. And we do not know just how far along in the stream of time we are in this regard.""

    So nine months after the expected date for Armageddon, the WT was starting to mitigate the issue. I really had no idea that my trusty "Aid" book had stated in 1971 that they wee created within the same year. It was not until ,I believe 1988 that the Insight book was released . The correction was never to my knowledge publicised . Sneaky[>:(]

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    So, I thus conclude that all the Angels and all the Demons have always known the "day and the hour" contrary to Watchtower teaching as they all know when God created Eve.

    Am I right?

    I would go on to add that there must also be a cut-off date where it can be stated categorically that either God is late or there was no co-relation.

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    Good one Blues, Thanks! Does anyone know if the Aid book had a printing after 1976? If it did, then they printed error with knowledge.

    ballistic, it seems you conclude correctly. It seems the demons know more than Jehovah's Channel on earth.

    Can anyone add any more information on the Eve connection to the timeline? Are there any spins I missed?

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    To Ballistic et al,

    CREATIVE DAYS ARE 7,000 YEARS LONG -
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    "[footnote] Each creative day was 7,000 years in length. See "New Heavens and a New Earth", pages 40-43." - THE WATCHTOWER, AUGUST 1, 1954, page 478, "The Purpose Of Your Witnessing"

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    "Since the seventh creative day has proved to be thousands of years in length, nearly 6,000 years having elapsed since Adam's creation, and since Bible prophecy proves that we are living in the time of the end of this wicked system of things immediately preceding the restful 1,000-year Kingdom reign of Christ, it is reasonable to conclude that this great rest day would be complete with 7,000 years. The 1,000-year reign of Christ would logically be included in this 7,000-year rest day of God. This means the seventh creative day is in itself a week of 1,000-year days. [...] Thus we see God's use of the perfect number seven. The creative week consisted of seven days that were made up, not merely of hours, but of 7,000 years each. This means that each creative day was, within itself, a week of 1,000-year days. Following this master pattern, the nation of Israel was given a symbolic week of one-year days, with every seventh year being a sabbath rest for the land. This brings us down to the literal week of seven days, the seventh day of which was a sabbath in the nation of Israel. It was logical, therefore, that the fourth commandment should make reference to the great creative week of which the literal week is a small replica." - THE WATCHTOWER, June 15, 1961, page 378, "The Seventh Day - A Sabbath Of Rest"

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    "LENGTH OF CREATIVE DAYS
    The Bible does not specify the length of each of the creative periods . Yet all six of them have ended,
    it being said with respect to the sixth day (as in the case of each of the preceding five days) : "And
    there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a sixth day." (Gen. 1 :31) However, this statement is not made regarding the seventh day, on which God proceeded to rest, indicating that it continued. (Gen. 2 :1-3) Also, more than 4,000 years after the seventh day or God's rest day commenced, Paul indicated that it was still in progress. At Hebrews 4:1-11 he referred to the earlier words of David and also urged : "Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest." By the apostle's time, the seventh day had been continuing for thousands of years, and had not yet ended.

    The thousand-year reign of Jesus Christ, who is Scripturally identified as "Lord of the sabbath" (Matt. 12 :8) , is evidently part of the great sabbath, God's rest day. (Rev . 20 :1-6) This would indicate the passing of thousands of years from the commencement of God's rest day to its end. The week of days set forth at Genesis 1 :3 to 2 :3, the last of which is a sabbath, seems to parallel the week into which the Israelites divided their time, observing a sabbath on the seventh day thereof, in keeping with the divine will. And, as the week of the Israelites was composed of seven individual days of equal length, it may reasonably be concluded that each of the six creative periods or days was the
    same length as the seventh day or God's great rest day.-Ex. 20 :8-11.

    That a day can be longer than twenty-four hours is indicated by Genesis 2 :4, which speaks, in part,
    of "the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven ." Also indicative of this is Peter's inspired
    observation that "one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day ."
    (2 Pet . 3 :8) Ascribing not just twenty-four hours but a longer period of time, thousands of years, to
    each of the creative days better harmonizes with the geological evidence found in the earth itself . - AID TO BIBLE UNDERSTANDING, 1971, page 392, "Creation"

    "In 1626, Henry Ainsworth in "Annotations upon the First Booke o f Moses Called Genesis" expressed a belief he attributed to rabbinical commentaries, that Genesis 2 :2, 3 refers to a 7,000-year sabbath . This great rest day of God ends a creative "week" of "days," each of which days were thousands of years long . God `rested' or desisted from creative works toward the visible universe, as described in Genesis 1 :1 to 2 :4 . This seventh day is not spoken of as ending, as are the previous six creative "days ." Why, then, did Jesus say, "My Father has kept working until now, and I keep working"? (John 5 :17) God has not created any new earthly things, but he has performed
    his good purposes toward his people and toward the earth. The "new creation," a spiritual work, has been brought forth by him, and perhaps other things, in a spiritual way, unknown to mankind .-2 Cor. 5 :17 ;Gal . 6 :15 .

    THE THOUSAND-YEAR SABBATH
    Following the sabbatical pattern of sanctifying the seventh part would make the last 1,000 years of God's 7,000-year rest a grand sabbath day or a sabbath within the 7,000-year sabbath . Interestingly, Revelation 20 :1-6 says that Satan is bound "for a thousand years" so that the nations of the earth will not be misled while Christ Jesus, who was the "Lord of the sabbath" while on earth and is such now in heaven, reigns as the King . What rest! The miraculous works he performed on earth during his first presence, many of them on the sabbath, evidently show what he will do as "Lord of the sabbath" to raise mankind to spiritual and physical perfection . (2 Pet . 3 :8 ; Matt. 12 :8 ; 1 Cor .
    15 :25-28 ; Luke 13 :10-17 ; Rev. 21 :1-4) Thus the literal sabbath day is "a shadow of the things to
    come, but the reality belongs to the Christ ."-Col. 2:16, 17 ." AID TO BIBLE UNDERSTANDING, 1971, page 1427, "Sabbath Day"

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    "If it is his purpose to have this beautification of the whole earth accomplished by the end of his seventh creative day-Scripturally a period of seven thousand years, then the time is near at hand for the ruining of the earth by exploiters to be stopped by theocratic power and for the blessed transformation to a delightsome garden to begin." - PARADISE RESTORED TO MAKIND - BY THEOCRACY!, 1972, page 18, "Our basis For Hope In Its Restoration"

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    "It was in the third creative day when God superimposed upon inanimate atoms of matter the force of life, saying: "Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth." (Gen. 1:11) In vegetation, especially in woody plants, a juice or vital circulating fluid called sap was to course, delivering essential food to the tiniest branch, leaf and blossom. Thus it might be said that the life of the tree is in the sap, which carries the life-sustaining properties of the plant throughout its entire system. However, some fourteen thousand years later, in the fifth creative day, when sea creatures and the flying creatures began to be created, and another seven thousand years later, in the sixth creative day, when land animals began to be created, Jehovah prepared in them a different kind of circulatory system." - THE WATCHTOWER, May 15, 1973, page 301, "Avenging The Blood Of The Innocent Ones"

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    "Second, a study of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy and of our location in the stream of time strongly indicate that each of the creative days (Genesis, chapter 1) is 7,000 years long. It is understood that Christ's reign of a thousand years will bring to a close God's 7,000-year 'rest day,' the last 'day' of the creative week. (Revelation 20:6; Genesis 2:2, 3) Based on this reasoning, the entire creative week would be 49,000 years long." - THE WATCHTOWER, January 1, 1987, page 30, "Questions From Readers"

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    "Length of Creative Days. The Bible does not specify the length of each of the creative periods. Yet all six of them have ended, it being said with respect to the sixth day (as in the case of each of the preceding five days): "And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a sixth day." (Ge 1:31) However, this statement is not made regarding the seventh day, on which God proceeded to rest, indicating that it continued. (Ge 2:1-3) Also, more than 4,000 years after the seventh day, or God's rest day, commenced, Paul indicated that it was still in progress. At Hebrews 4:1-11 he referred to the earlier words of David (Ps 95:7, 8, 11) and to Genesis 2:2 and urged: "Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest." By the apostle's time, the seventh day had been continuing for thousands of years and had not yet ended. The Thousand Year Reign of Jesus Christ, who is Scripturally identified as "Lord of the sabbath" (Mt 12:8), is evidently part of the great sabbath, God's rest day. (Re 20:1-6) This would indicate the passing of thousands of years from the commencement of God's rest day to its end. The week of days set forth at Genesis 1:3 to 2:3, the last of which is a sabbath, seems to parallel the week into which the Israelites divided their time, observing a sabbath on the seventh day thereof, in keeping with the divine will. (Ex 20:8-11) And, since the seventh day has been continuing for thousands of years, it may reasonably be concluded that each of the six creative periods, or days, was at least thousands of years in length." - Insight, 1988, page 545, "Creation"

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    God, the pennys dropped. Thanks. SO 1975 was supposedly 6000 years? And yet Christ took up the throne early in 1914? Is this correct? And yet now we are waiting for Eve to be born, at which rate if we reach the birth date of her first child (130 years was it?) we will prove that the theory doesn't hold water.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    EXCELLENT POINT, Ballistic!

    If Adam was 130 years old when Seth was born - which the bible tells us plainly is the case - then Seth's 6,000th birthday will be in 2105. Armageddon MUST come before then!

    Only 102 years remain for the demonstration of this truth - I can hardly wait!

    Was Adam alone in Eden for 129 years?

    We still come back to the validity of 1914 marking the "beginning of the time of the end," don't we?

    This is such FUN! Thanks Gary for starting this thread!

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    ...except, of course, we have the little matter of Cain and Abel, don't we?

    The Bible doesn't say when Cain, Adam's first born son, was born, nor does it say when Abel was born. We are told only that Adam was 130 when Seth was born, and that Eve thought of Seth as a replacement for her murdered son Abel.

    So Seth was born AFTER Cain and Abel had their fatal disagreement. Both Cain and Abel were apparently not children when the first murdre occurred - they offerered sacrifices to God, and Cain took a wife with him when he left the land of his father.

    Although the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society would NEVER SPECULATE on a such a matter, "some brothers" can.

    So let us speculate.

    Let's assume that Cain was 29 when he slew Abel. Twenty nine is a convenient number derived by the WAGNER (Wild Ass Guess Not Easily Refutable) method. That means that Cain might have been born when Adam was a mere 101 years old.

    Eve carried her son in her womb for nine months, just as today, so Adam might have been 100 when he caused Eve to conceive in her womb a child, a son. Adam and Eve didn't proactice contraception - in fact, they were just instructed to fill the earth with their progeny, so Eve probably conceived her firstborn very soon after Jehovah performed the first wedding.

    That nuptial probably also took place when Adam was 100. It is not without good reason that we can speculate further: Eve must have been created the same year that she and Adam wed. Whereas Adam had to gain experience in life, Eve had Adam to rely upon for practical knowledge and experience.

    We may therefore conclude that Adam was alone in the Garden of Eden for a mere 100 years. In the year 3926 B.C.E., during Adam's 100th year, Eve was created, Adam and Eve were wed, and the sixth creative day came to an end, being pronounced "good" by Jehovah.

    It's all Bible-Based(tm).

    That means that the 6,000th year of this present seventh creative day will occur in the fall of the year 2075, since as we have seen, all the Bible evidence clearly shows that Adam was alone for a period of 100 years. We may fully expect that the year 2075 will bring bountious blessings for humankind - indeed, for all earthly creation! - the battle of Armageddon will be over, wickedness will have been vanquished and true religion will fill the earth, even though it may occasionally stumble over a decomposing corpse.

    Think brothers - only seventy-two short years to go - a mere 864 months remain for this wicked system of things. No time to grow tired in our life-saving work, is it?

    Oh, 1914?

    You never really BELIEVED that bullsh!t, did you?

    - Your Brothers at Bethel

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Ballistic,

    As I recall, the witnesses say that the Earth must be put back to it's perfect state by the end of God's rest day which is a period of 7000 years.

    So, he started resting after his last creation, Eve.

    The witnesses believe that Adam was created in 4026 BC, so if Eve was created in the same year then God's rest day finishes 7000 years after 4026 BC which is 2975 AD.

    Now knock off the 1000 year Millenium, and you have 1975 AD.

    When nothing happened in !975, the JW's consoled themselves with the thought that maybe Eve wasn't created in the same year after all, so they were perhaps adding 7000 years to the wrong start point.

    If their explanation is correct, this being 28 years on in 2003, Adam had been alone in Eden for 28 years before Jehovah realised he was lonely and needed a mate.

    So he gets older every year before he gets his lady.

    Englishman.

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