UK Gun Laws: Possession = 5 Years Imprisonment.

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  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Following the deaths by shooting of 2 teenage girls last week, the UK Government is speeding through even tighter gun controls than ever before.

    Already, High Court judges have been told to impose a minimum 5 year jail sentence to anyone found in possesssion of a hand-gun in a public place. Also, consideration is being given to outlawing replica firearms as well as air powered weapons. Much is being made of the violent lyrics sometimes contained in rap - music which appears to often endorse gun culture.

    See:http://news.bbc.co.uk/ for full story.

    Englishman.

  • Rado Vleugel
    Rado Vleugel

    I hope the USA will follow this great example!

    Rado Vleugel
    The Netherlands
    http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/

  • email
    email

    I hope the USA will follow this great example!

    Yeah... That's why today was also reported that in the UK there has been a 35% increase in GUN crimes this year ... we SHOULD follow that great example... Don't defend yourselves against crime!

    Click here for the link

    (nothing personal Rado)

    Edited by - email on 9 January 2003 15:48:33

  • Trauma_Hound
    Trauma_Hound
    I hope the USA will follow this great example!

    Your not even in the US, what does it matter to you? Yep un-arm the law abiding citizens, and then only the criminals will be able to have them.

  • MrMoe
    MrMoe

    *sits back and awaits the flame war*

    For the US to "outlaw" guns is not only a violation of our rights (right to bear arms) but it would also be a stupid move. The criminals who shoot and kill the vast majority of time are toting around a stolen weapon. Those who have a permit to carry a concealed weapon have to carry one in order to protect themselves, and they are not at fault for our high crime rate.

    *grumble*

  • MrMoe
    MrMoe
    Your not even in the US, what does it matter to you? Yep un-arm the law abiding citizens, and then only the criminals will be able to have them.

    My point. Ya, let's ban guns, but not take into consideration that the freaks who do drive-bys and commit murders don't even have permit' for thier guns in the first place. So let's all play sitting duck, shall we?

    Edited by - MrMoe on 9 January 2003 15:37:23

  • YERU2
    YERU2

    Let Dr Yeru Pipe in too. Don't ban handguns, rather, enforce the laws already on the books to the fullest extent. Make it a MANDATORY 20 years with no parole for the commision of ANY crime with a gun, loaded or not, real or not. Make it LIFE without parole if the firearm is discharged during the commission of the crime.

    Same same on police chases. If they made it a mandatory 10 years in prison for running from the cops (vehicular) some of these punks who are being stopped for tickets who just want to mess around and lead the cops in a chase might think twice. OJ would have gotten at least some jail time for his crimes then. Sad fact is, most first time offenders don't see any prison time for first time offenses when running from the cops.

  • Trauma_Hound
    Trauma_Hound

    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20021126.shtml

    Thomas Sowell (archive)
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    November 26, 2002

    Gun control myths

    Professor Joyce Lee Malcolm of Bentley College deserves some sort of special prize for taking on the thankless task of talking sense on a subject where nonsense is deeply entrenched and fiercely dogmatic. In her recently published book, "Guns and Violence," Professor Malcolm examines the history of firearms, gun control laws and violent crime in England. What makes this more than an exercise in history is its relevance to current controversies over gun control in America.

    Gun control zealots love to make highly selective international comparisons of gun ownership and murder rates. But Joyce Lee Malcolm points out some of the pitfalls in that approach. For example, the murder rate in New York City has been more than five times that of London for two centuries -- and during most of that time neither city had any gun control laws.

    In 1911, New York state instituted one of the most severe gun control laws in the United States, while serious gun control laws did not begin in England until nearly a decade later. But New York City still continued to have far higher murder rates than London.

    If we are serious about the role of guns and gun control as factors in differing rates of violence between countries, then we need to do what history professor Joyce Lee Malcolm does -- examine the history of guns and violence. In England, as she points out, over the centuries "violent crime continued to decline markedly at the very time that guns were becoming increasingly available."

    England's Bill of Rights in 1688 was quite unambiguous that the right of a private individual to be armed was an individual right, independently of any collective right of militias. Guns were as freely available to Englishmen as to Americans, on into the early 20th century.

    Nor was gun control in England a response to any firearms murder crisis. Over a period of three years near the end of the 19th century, "there were only 59 fatalities from handguns in a population of nearly 30 million people," according to Professor Malcolm. "Of these, 19 were accidents, 35 were suicides and only three were homicides -- an average of one a year."

    The rise of the interventionist state in early 20th century England included efforts to restrict ownership of guns. After the First World War, gun control laws began restricting the possession of firearms. Then, after the Second World War, these restrictions grew more severe, eventually disarming the civilian population of England -- or at least the law-abiding part of it.

    It was during this period of severe restrictions on owning firearms that crime rates in general, and the murder rate in particular, began to rise in England. "As the number of legal firearms have dwindled, the numbers of armed crimes have risen," Professor Malcolm points out.

    In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s, there were more than a hundred times as many. In England, as in the United States, drastic crackdowns on gun ownership by law-abiding citizens were accompanied by ever greater leniency to criminals. In both countries, this turned out to be a formula for disaster.

    While England has not yet reached the American level of murders, it has already surpassed the United States in rates of robbery and burglary. Moreover, in recent years the murder rate in England has been going up under still more severe gun control laws, while the murder rate in the United States has been going down as more and more states have allowed private citizens to carry concealed weapons -- and have begun locking up more criminals.

    In both countries, facts have no effect whatever on the dogmas of gun control zealots. The fact that most guns used to murder people in England were not legally purchased has no effect on their faith in gun control laws there, any more than faith in such laws here is affected by the fact that the gun used by the recent Beltway snipers was not purchased legally either.

    In England as in America, sensational gun crimes have been seized upon and used politically to promote crackdowns on gun ownership by law-abiding citizens, while doing nothing about criminals. American zealots for the Brady bill say nothing about the fact that the man who shot James Brady and tried to assassinate President Reagan has been out walking the streets on furlough.

    Contact Thomas Sowell | Read his biography

  • Rado Vleugel
    Rado Vleugel

    See the difference between a country where the population doesn't carry guns (the Netherlands) and a country where people are proud to carry a gun (USA):

    Homicide_Rate per 100,000
    population

    >South_Africa__________1995___________75.30
    >Colombia______________2000___________59.
    >Estonia_______________1994___________28.21
    >Brazil________________1993___________19.04
    >Mexico________________1994___________17.58
    >Philippines___________1996___________16.20
    >Taiwan________________1996____________8.12
    >N._Ireland____________1994____________6.09
    >United_States_________2000____________6.1
    >Argentina_____________1994____________4.51
    >Hungary_______________1994____________3.53
    >Finland_______________1994____________3.24
    >Portugal______________1994____________2.98
    >Mauritius_____________1993____________2.35
    >Israel________________1993____________2.32
    >Scotland______________1994____________2.24
    >Canada________________1996____________2.1
    >Slovenia______________1994____________2.01
    >Australia_____________1994____________1.86
    >Singapore_____________1994____________1.71
    >France________________1998____________1.64
    >South_Korea___________1994____________1.62
    >Italy_________________1998____________1.54
    >Australia_____________1998____________1.5
    >New_Zealand___________1993____________1.47
    >Belgium_______________1990____________1.41
    >England_and_Wales_____1998____________1.30
    >Sweden________________1993____________1.30
    >Denmark_______________1993____________1.21
    >Germany_______________1998____________1.18
    >Austria_______________1994____________1.17
    >Greece________________1994____________1.14
    >France________________1994____________1.12
    >Netherlands___________1994____________1.11
    >Switzerland___________1998____________1.06

    Rado

    Gun control zealots love to make highly selective international comparisons of gun ownership and murder rates.

    Edited by - Rado Vleugel on 9 January 2003 15:51:22

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge

    Great article Trauma Hound....well done!

    Rado.... your post is 'apples and oranges'... What your statistics don't reflect is larger number of homicides from gang/drug related deaths...in other words, criminals killing criminals... you know, the ones who are already breaking the law by carrying guns.

    Edited by - Double Edge on 9 January 2003 15:57:18

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