Yes God did have all the fish singing praises for the time noah was locked up in the arc , and he did destroy all human life except Noah and his family.
So again I say, what did he do to make the people after that turn to their own desires. Jim he (the divine)is there 24/7 no days off, never closes for lunch, has an open door policy and has no record or abandoning anyone.
You mention Sodom & Gomorah...as another example...and I say Ok he got rid of the bad element.....ask yourself.....did he put that element there to begin with......where did this “element” originate from......
“What has he done in our day to even prove to us he exsist?”
JIM you ask about our day........well I could say ..your here, thats a start......... he is with you for if he was not.......you would not be breathing........
You asked about miracles ceasing......... are you sure they have ceased....... I hear of miracles all the time........miracles cant happen , if you have no faith they can........there are mystics that still cure people...... Padre Pio is an example of this.
What happened to divine intrevention?
there is still divine intervention and guidance, in my opinion. Our lifes have just become desensitized to looking at it. We dont all ~see ~the subtle energies that are around us , as we have been hardened by this world/system. A spiritual life needs not be one where “praise god or Jesus” is our every word, but that type of faith is the key. Jesus told all his onlookers again and again about faith, just faith the size of a mustard seed will take down a mountain. Some of his last words were about those being happy who beleived that did not Physically see.
We all have a guidance systems built in.......for most JWS. it is handed over at the front door of the Kingdom hall and doesn’t get returned unless we fight to get it back. But it is there to be developed .
Deists believed that true religion is natural religion. There were Christian deists who argued that most of Christianity, especially the Revelations, was not in condriction with deism. However, most deists felt organized religion was false.
These deists were greatly influenced by the rationalisim of the Enlightement era. Since large organized religions such as Christianity and Islam tell us in books and sermons what is true, we are unable to find the truth through perception. They believed that God wants all of his creations to be happy, and has given them virtue as a means to obtain that. Because of this, he makes the knowledge needed for happiness universily accessible. Organized religion often times sets aside only certain people to have this knowledge, and the deists believed evreyone had to right to it.
Another sect of deism believed that God is "absentee", and leaves us alone on Earth to make our own way. He gives us the virtues and access to knowledge mentioned above, and then lets us make the most of his gifts
If this is the deism you speak of I would say I agree organized religion is false from what I have seen. I see there an outcry today tho from those who want this to not be the case. I do believe God has an uncondiotinal love and desire for us to be happy, but we need to do OUR part and not lay it off on him. I agree we do have the knowlege or at least the tools available to get the knowlege for the things that will make each of us happy. Since we are all in the same image , yes i would say we all do have a right to this knowlege.
I wont go so far to say God leaves us alone completley to make our own way, we have weather , we have natural disasters, we have illness, all of which we dont control. I would say we cocreate reality with God tho and the lessons we learn are for the managing of this thing we have learned as JWS doesn’t exist...and that is SPIRIT.
Spirit and the managing of it , is about the only purpose I can come to understand , for man being here on earth. If we can learn this it will helps us when we are not physcial any more since the spirit is still there. Think about all you know regarding Jesus and Paul ..they both refer to a better life ..... not in the flesh tho..........but in the spirit......
tell me your thougths on this........
Island woman, if you have found no religion that meets your standard... the challenge is yours....start your own *S*