Flowerpetal said :
In the meantime, I give Goodwill Industries and have given furniture to the Salvation Army.
I wouldn't mind even doing volunteer work for an organization that visits hospitals as long as they are secular in nature. It's what I would let *myself* do. I would not join any *religious organization* that does volunteer work,
Prisca>>I don't know about Goodwill, but the Society classes the Salvation Army as being part of Babylon the Great.
FP>>Well apparently not any more! I haven't seen anything lately in print nor anyone speak of not contributing to it. Besides that, it was one of two orgs that would pick up. And since I had furniture, I sure wasn't going to haul it somewhere else. And thirdly, Jehovah knows my heart.
Prisca>>The Society once disapproved of giving to religious charities. Flowerpetal says she won't join these religious charities, yet she clearly does not see that giving to religious charities is supporting them!
FP>>Prisca quotes me saying>>At the end of the course, they have a decision to make and that is do they want to dedicate their life to Jehovah and symbolize it by water baptism. And they need to know that this baptism will identify them as one of JWs.
Prisca>>Is that what Jesus said would happen when he told his followers to be baptised in the name of "the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"? [Matt 28:19]
Hmm... I don't see a 20th century organisation mentioned here.
FP>>I don't either.
FP>>Prisca again quotes me>>Can she give a talk at the hall just like a man? (of course with a householder but the information she brings out still benefits the congregation).
Prisca>>ROTFLOL! Flowerpetal really shouldn't have mentioned this one, as she just lost her argument!
Women are not allowed to give talks like the men do, period. The way they explain away women giving talks with a householder is that these talks are given as suggestions as how to present the info - so that the males can choose to accept those "suggestions" or not. (this is what my elder-father once told me)
FP>>Perhaps that was his opinion? The wife of the school overseer in my cong., when I was her householder a while back and we got together to practice, was concerned about how she was presenting the information in her talk because she felt that she was teaching and she wanted the cong to get the gist of what she was saying in her talk. Now where do you suppose she got that idea from?
Prisca>>One thing a lot of Witnesses that come to this board do, is forget that we who left have years of experience in the "truth" behind us. We are not idiots that have become foaming-at-the-mouth, satan-worshipping, drug-induced, sex maniacs that hate the Bible and anyone and everyone that calls themself a Jehovah's Witness.
FP>>Have I ever alluded to you or others, that I feel that way?
Yet I get the feeling that I am being put to the 3rd degree here, for only stating what has been *my* experience. Each experience is different. Sure, I have visted congs where I can see attitudes like you express. I remember an elder (before they were called that)who would just call on people at the WT study who hadn't had their hand raised and expect them to make a comment. (mean attitude, too) His reason? Every witness should have studied the lesson and be prepared to answer every question.
Prisca>>We DO know what went on. We DO know how things operate in the Org. We still have family and friends in the Org. And we are normal people, really!!
FP>>And I realize that you, from your experience, and reading experiences of others, know. I know that all you want is to be acknowledged and that these experiences have happened to you or people you know. You want to be validated. OK So I validate you. You are a normal person, I understand that.
But can't you see or understand, that some of us haven't had those experiences...at least as of yet? All mine, on the whole, have been pleasant. Sure there were times when looking back now, I have seen the beginnings of attitudes that appear to be more prevalent now, and perhaps I would have now been butting heads, or more, with some elders, or cong members, but I live in another part of the country now--and those guys are very, very old! LOL
I feel that my cong. is really living up to the standards that the bible sets out. And as far as I can tell, there aren't any gossips in my cong. The elders' wives mind their own business and for now, at least, things are running smoothly.
Please don't ask me to create something that I don't see.