I guess what I'm hearing is that it can be a bit like coffee. If you drink several cups, it can stimulate. But one cup, assuming one drinks it slowly, can be relaxing.
Thanks for the input.
I guess what I'm hearing is that it can be a bit like coffee. If you drink several cups, it can stimulate. But one cup, assuming one drinks it slowly, can be relaxing.
Thanks for the input.
Wow I sure stepped in a fire ant bed here............lol. I know I need to stop, but I have to totally agree with Onacruse, it is a nervous habit and I can tell you how it started, by second hand smoke. I as around it alot and soon I craved it myself. I wanted to smoke just for the hell of it, because dammit no one could tell me no. I was so sick of rules I rebelled. Illogical, yeah, but dont we all make stupid choices many times.
Sorry ballistic that my igrorance makes you mad. Many others here know what I mean, .start off . I have alot of nervous energy and find myself late in the night, actually early morning staring at the stars wondering about life as I smoke. Let me tell you who doubt, I have given up other drugs , that the doctor gave me, because I didnt want to be addicted any longer. When I set my mind to it, it wont be easy, it will hurt but when I am ready I can do it. And I don't appreciate anyone telling me what an idioit I am. I dont give a crap what you have to say from this point on, in the way you spoke to me. ,,,,,,,,,,,,, I usually don't respond to attacks. But you don't know me, you don't know what I feel, you dont know what my life is like at all. I make it one day at a time. I accept that, and I am working on the things that are only hurting me, I do see that . Maybe if you want to encourage someone give them your support , calling them an idiot and telling them that they are making you mad , really doesnt help at all. I guess you don't care to help or understand. God help one day you are faced with a choice , maybe then your wont be so judgmental.
Thanks to everyone eles who told me how they deal with smoking and how they too know they need to quit. The only reason I brought it up was to see how others felt. Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut,,,,,,,,,, I hate to be called an idiot or that I made some one mad at me. That hurts.
Edited for saying things I am sure I would regret saying tomorrow........
Edited by - LyinEyes on 1 November 2002 3:23:37
Oh and the comment made that if I made an annoucement that I was planning on killing myself would be the same thing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lol now in the long run smokig is suicide I know that......but I think coming in this room annoucing I was putting a bullet to my brain woud be a little different. Everyday we all do things to our body out of grief, suffering , depression, saddness, loneliness that we do to comfort ourselves, such as smoking,overeating, over drinking, over spending,,,,,,,,,,,,, I can tell you it does not mean the same as saying you are going to kill yourself. Been thru that before and it is a pale comparrison.......Have you ever had someone say,,,,,,, gee, I think I will eat till I puke or I think I will kill myself tonight??? If not , you don't know what you are talking about. There is a difference in the two.... in the long run, we all die, but a suicide attempt and a smoke are not the same. Smokers can stop, depressed people can get help...... but what would be the response if I announced tonight I was smoking 3 cigs instead of two,,,,,,,,, compared to the announcement of committing suicide????
Lyin, the toughest thing I have ever had to do was give up smoking. I have given up class A drugs with ease, alcohol a bit harder... but smoking, that was another story. I just wanted to get through to you, to stop you in your tracks. If you have to learn the hard way... so be it.
I posted the progress of my giving up on this site for everyone to follow. It was my third attempt and I suceded. I suppose knowing what I know now, I feel like no-one has an excuse for starting. I actually started for all the same reasons as you, and worked in a pub at the time, so my first cig was also not my "first".
Sorry if I sounded offensive (it was someone else that called you idiot though), but I will cetainly not step down from expressing how gutted I was, becuase that is partly concern for you.
P.S. I posted to this thread just before going to bed and promptly dreamt that I smoked half a pack of Lambert and Butler before an old JW I knew reminded me that I had quit. In the dream I went through lots of emotions, and then actually felt the addiction in my dream, the whole experience of craving the nicotine.
I got this from the newsgroup alt.support.stop-smoking (AS3), As I stated in an earlier post, this newsgroup helped me during the first couple of months after my quit.
JUNKIE THINKING: "One Puff won't hurt"
RESPONSE: "One puff will always hurt me, and it always will because I'm
not a social smoker. One puff and I'll be smoking compulsively again."
JUNKIE THINKING: "I only want one."
RESPONSE: "I have never wanted only one. In fact, I want 20-30 a day,
everyday. I want them all."
JUNKIE THINKING: "I'll just be a social smoker."
RESPONSE: "I'm a chronic, compulsive smoker, and once I smoke one, I'll
quickly be thinking about the next one. Social smokers can take it or
leave it. That's not me!"
JUNKIE THINKING: "I'm doing so well, one won't hurt me now."
RESPONSE: "The only reason I'm doing so well is because I haven't taken
the first one. Yet once I do, I won't be doing well anymore. I'll be
JUNKIE THINKING: "I'll just stop again."
RESPONSE: "Sounds easy, but who am I trying to kid? Look how long it
took me to stop this time. And once I start, how long will it take
before I get sick enough to face withdrawal again? In fact, when I'm
back in the grip of compulsion, what guarantee do I have that I'll ever
be able to stop again?"
JUNKIE THINKING: "If I slip, I'll keep trying."
RESPONSE: "If I think I can get away with one little "slip" now I'll
think I can get away with another little "slip" later on. And the
slipping will get stronger and the trying will get weaker"
JUNKIE THINKING: "I need one to get me through this withdrawal."
RESPONSE: "Smoking will not get me through the discomfort of not
smoking. It will only get me back to smoking. One puff stops the process
of withdrawal and I'll have to go through it all over again."
JUNKIE THINKING: "I miss smoking right now."
RESPONSE: "Of course I miss something I've been doing every day for most
of my life. But do I miss the chest pains right now? Do I miss the
worry, the embarrassment? I'l rather be an ex-smoker with an occasional
desire to smoke, than a smoker with a constant desire to stop doing
JUNKIE THINKING: "I really need to smoke now, I'm so upset (or
depressed, or whatever)."
RESPONSE: "Smoking is not going to fix anything. I'll still be upset or
depressed or whatever, I'll just be an upset/depressed smoker. I never
have to have a cigarette. Smoking is not a need, it's a want. Once the
crisis is over, I'll be relieved and grateful I'm still not smoking."
JUNKIE THINKING: "I'm Bored"
RESPONSE: Smoking is an "activity" or "something to do" only for
smokers. I'm really not "doing" anything when I smoke except still
sitting/standing there. The rest of the world survives occasional
boredom quite well without inhaling life-challenging chemicals.
JUNKIE THINKING: "But they've been smoking on TV and in the movies for
years! There are even magazines devoted to tobacco products!
RESPONSE: "That's right. They were on TV for years, I wasn't. I'm still
alive; many of them aren't and they departed this vale of tears in
prolonged and painful ways. And the smiling faces in the magazines now
are risking painful and disfiguring surgery later, at which point they
won't be smiling at all."
JUNKIE THINKING: "It's so nice to go out for a 'breath of fresh air' and
RESPONSE: "Fresh air? I've got to be kidding. And face it, sunny days
are one thing, but how many days do I huddle out in the rain with the
rain hitting the cigarette and turning the cigarette paper that
disgusting yellow color? How many times is it windy and it takes forever
to keep a match or lighter lit long enough to light the cigarette, and
then how often does a gust of wind come up and blow the ashes into my
eyes? And when it's icy outside, freezing my face off is bad enough, but
when it defrosts, there's this bizarre yellow condensation around my
nostrils. Now THAT'S attractive."
JUNKIE THINKING: "Smoking makes work go faster."
RESPONSE: "Most jobs where you work indoors are in companies which ban
smoking in the workplace. Some companies won't hire me if I smoke. And
everytime I stop for a smoke it actually prolongs my work, since I'm not
busy accomplishing it."
JUNKIE THINKING: "Let's face it. I am a smoker. I always will be."
RESPONSE: "The truth is that you're not a smoker. The only thing that
smokes is the cigarette. You are the sucker though for falling for the
belief that you cannot live without the habit of inhaling smoke. If
everyone who believed at one time they were forever doomed to smoke then
places like AS3 would not exist."
excellent post there. Replace cigarette with Krispy Kreme doughnut and you have the addiction battle I'm fighting. LOL!!!!
Edited by - megadude on 1 November 2002 9:56:35
Lol Megadude, I thought that addiction was peach icecream
LOL. Well, replace with doughnuts, ice cream, all my favorite foodgroups.
Non-smoker here. But this might be the equivent to "Apostate literature" to non-smokers. Maybe all the things you're being told about the dangers of smoking aren't entirely true...
These are for you, LyinEyes...
These"Ten Myths of the Anti-Smoking Movement" appear as an appendix in For Your Own Good .
1. The tobacco companies hid the truth about the hazards and addictiveness of cigarettes from the American public. Industry double-talk notwithstanding, warnings about the health risks of smoking go back hundreds of years. James I, in his 1604 Counterblaste to Tobacco, called smoking "a custome lothsome to the eye, hatefull to the Nose, harmefull to the braine, dangerous to the Lungs." In every generation, tobaccos opponents have echoed him, attributing a long list of maladies to smoking. (See Chapter 1.) Persuasive scientific evidence of tobaccos hazards, which began to emerge in the early 1930s, has received widespread attention since the 50s. (See Chapter 2.) Likewise, the difficulty of giving up the tobacco habit has been common knowledge for centuries. James Is lord chancellor, Sir Francis Bacon, observed, "In our times the use of tobacco is growing greatly and conquers men with a certain secret pleasure, so that those who have once become accustomed thereto can later hardly be restrained therefrom." The 17th-century polemicist Johann Michael Moscherosch called smokers "thralls to the tobacco fiend," while Cotton Mather dubbed them "Slave[s] to the Pipe." Fagon, Louis XIVs court physician, described the tobacco habit as "a fatal, insatiable necessitya permanent epilepsy." (See Chapter 7.)
2. "Tobacco is tobacco." Although all tobacco products pose some health risks, cigarettes are by far the most hazardous. Cigars and pipes are considerably less dangerous. Research by the American Cancer Society found that "[d]eath rates were far higher in cigarette smokers than in nonsmokers," while "[c]igar smokers had somewhat higher death rates than nonsmokers," and "there was little difference between the death rates of pipe smokers and the death rates of men who never smoked regularly." By one estimate, smokeless tobacco is 98 percent safer than cigarettes. (See Chapter 2.)
3. People smoke because of advertising. There is remarkably little evidence that advertising plays an important role in getting people to smoke, as opposed to getting them to smoke a particular brand. The 1989 surgeon generals report conceded that "[t]here is no scientifically rigorous study available to the public that provides a definitive answer to the basic question of whether advertising and promotion increase the level of tobacco consumption. Given the complexity of the issue, none is likely to be forthcoming in the forseeable future." The 1994 report, which focused on underage smoking, also acknowledged the "lack of definitive literature." None of the widely publicized studies that have appeared in recent years, including the much-hyped research on Joe Camel, actually measured the impact of advertising on a teenagers propensity to smoke. (See Chapter 3.)
4. Smoking imposes costs on society. Because smokers tend to die earlier than nonsmokers, the short-term costs of treating tobacco-related illness are balanced, and probably outweighed, by savings on Social Security, nursing home stays, and medical care in old age. Every analysis that takes such long-term savings into account, including reports from the RAND Corporation, the Congressional Research Service, and Harvard economist W. Kip Viscusi, concludes that "social cost" cannot justify raising cigarette taxes. (See Chapter 4.)
5. Secondhand smoke poses a grave threat to bystanders.The evidence concerning the health effects of secondhand smoke is not nearly as conclusive as the evidence concerning the health effects of smoking. The research suggests that people who live with smokers for decades may face a slightly higher risk of lung cancer. According to one estimate, a nonsmoking woman who lives with a smoker faces an additional lung cancer risk of 6.5 in 10,000, which would raise her lifetime risk from about 0.34 percent to about 0.41 percent. Studies of secondhand smoke and heart disease, including the results from the Harvard Nurses Study published in 1997, report more-dramatic increases in disease ratesso dramatic, in fact, that they are biologically implausible, suggesting risks comparable to those faced by smokers, despite the much lower doses involved. In any case, there is no evidence that casual exposure to secondhand smoke has any impact on your life expectancy. (See Chapter 5.)
6. If secondhand smoke really is dangerous, smoking ought to be banned everywhere, except in private residences. Since almost all of the epidemiological evidence about the health effects of secondhand smoke relates to long-term exposure in the home, the fact that this is the one place exempted from current and proposed smoking bans suggests a residual concern for property rights. Yet business owners have property rights, too. If the government respected their right to establish rules about smoking on their own property, potential employees and customers could take such policies into account when deciding where to work or which businesses to patronize. Whether secondhand smoke is a health hazard or merely a nuisance, such a voluntary system is the most appropriate way to deal with the conflicting demands of smokers and nonsmokers, since it allows for diversity and competition, rather than simply imposing the will of the majority on everyone. (See Chapter 5.)
7. States have a right to demand compensation from tobacco companies for the costs of treating smoking-related diseases under Medicaid. This claim ignores the long-term savings traceable to smoking (see Myth #4) and the tobacco taxes smokers already pay to cover the costs they supposedly impose on others. And by the same logic, states could sue the manufacturer of any product associated with disease or injury, including alcoholic beverages, fatty foods, candy, firearms, swimming pols, bathtubs, skateboards, and automobiles. The makers (and consumers) of such products should not be blamed because politicians decided to pay for health care with taxpayers money. (See Chapter 6.)
8. The tobacco companies have been secretly manipulating the nicotine in cigarettes to keep smokers hooked. Nicotine control was never a secret. Several brands of denicotined cigarettes were introduced as early as the 1920s. Claims of reduced tar and nicotine have been conspicuous since the 1950s, and the yields of each brand have been advertised since 1971. The very idea of a consistent nicotine yield for a given brand implies control, which cigarette manufacturers achieve through a variety of methods that have long been discussed in trade journals, books, and government reports. (See Chapter 7.)
9. Smoking is "a pediatric disease." Although most smokers start as teenagers, the vast majority are, in fact, adults. And while it raises the risk of certain illnesses, smoking itself is a behaviorsomething people choose to donot a disease. As then-Surgeon General C. Everett Koop noted in his 1984 speech calling for "a smoke-free society," smoking "is a voluntary act: one does not have to smoke if one does not want to." (See Chapter 7.)
10. Once people have started smoking, nicotine addiction prevents them from stopping. This is so contrary to everyday experience that its amazing politicians and anti-smoking activists can say it with a straight face. In fact, there are about as many former smokers in this country as there are smokers, and almost all gave up the habit on their own, without formal treatmentusually by quitting cold turkey.
The Noble Art of Smoking: its True Beauty revealed.
A smart gentleman, wearing an expensive suit, stands outside an impressive office building in the cold mid-morning. In his left hand, he holds a polystyrene cup with wisps of hot vapour rising from it. In his right hand is a cigarette. Persecuted by society, he is forced to inhale the noxious gases emitted by the passing vehicles, since he is not 'permitted' to smoke elsewhere; a pertinent demonstration of how much his government 'care' about his health.
The innocent smoker, in modern society, is made to feel like a pariah. I, however, would contend that smoking is not only of benefit to the individual smoker, and those who 'passively smoke', but also to our society as a whole. Bombarded, as we are, by a continuous stream of anti-smoking propaganda, such a contention may seem preposterous. The evidence, however, as you will see, is quite compelling.
The central theme to the arguments of governments is that 'smoking causes cancer' ( ref. 1 ). This is misleading terminology. It is, rather, a contributory factor; as are UV rays from the sun, pollutants released into the atmosphere by factories or vehicles, and even the radioactive isotopes in the water that we drink. Take, for example, the statement in the aforementioned reference that '700 people die each year in traffic in Finland. Ten times as many die because they are addicted to smoking'. What does this prove, other than the fact that smokers may lead a different lifestyle to those who do not? There are, I contend, other links which may be responsible for such figures; most heavy drinkers are also smokers, as a prime example. Furthermore, the unwillingness of governments to detail how, precisely, they arrived at these statistics, lends them no credence whatsoever. Their usual reply is 'it was a survey'. Wonderful. So did this survey, by any chance, assume that everyone who had cancer, and also smoked, must necessarily have contracted it for this reason? On the contrary, scientists have found that the damaged p53 gene, caused by smoking, is present in only 50% of cancer patients ( ref. 2 - see October 18, 1996); this directly rules out smoking as a cause for half of cancer sufferers, without even considering other ways in which the p53 gene may be damaged.
What is the response of government to this supposed 'health risk'? Do they, as responsible as they profess to be, ban smoking? Of course not. They increase the tax on cigarettes, in order to gain more revenue on the basis of a misconception, one that I believe they have deliberately promoted for just this purpose. Yet most smokers, generously, still continue to buy as many cigarettes and make a disproportionately high contribution to society, in terms of taxes, simply to enjoy one of life's pleasures. But what of addiction to nicotine, I hear you think? Poppycock. If those who smoked did so simply because of nicotine, then they would all use cheaper alternatives such as tablets or patches, but they don't, do they? They smoke because it promotes social activity, improves their physical appearance (i.e. it is sophisticated) and improves their mental aptitude. But what do I mean by 'improving mental aptitude'?
A large body of research on the effect of smoking has highlighted the fact that it is actually an aid to mental performance. Research by Reading University's psychology department concluded that 'Smoking improves human information processing' and furthermore that 'Higher nicotine cigarettes produce greater improvements [in information processing] than low-nicotine cigarettes' ( ref. 3 ). These results are by no means isolated, as highlighted by the work of other research groups. This is of great benefit to the individual, as evidenced by a plethora of writers, artists and blue chip workers. If companies were willing to encourage their employees to smoke, even to provide free cigarettes, then the effectiveness of their workers would increase, bringing them greater economic rewards; doubly so since, at present, much work time is lost due to said workers needing to 'sneak off to have a quick ciggy'.
Medically, there is overwhelming evidence of the benefits of smoking (see again ref.3 ). Smoking decreases calorie absorption, which aids in preventing obesity. Smoking improves dental health. Smoking reduces tension. Smoking helps to prevent the onset of Parkinson's Disease, ulcerative colitis and furthermore helps to protect asbestos workers from lung cancer. Yet some insist it is still 'bad for your health'? On the contrary, it is clear that such a substance should, in some cases, be medically prescribed.
In short, the noble art of smoking is fun, sexy and stylish. How many 'heart-throb celebrities' are there that are non-smokers? That first, wondrous cigarette, smoked with my peers as we played truant from school, heralded my entry into a new social stratum. It was, undoubtedly, the most important bonding experience of my life. And providing women with the chance to use the infamous line "Have you got a light?" had led to more sexual pleasure than I would ever have previously imagined...
Not when we first met, Lyin, but within this past year, I started smoking, heavily. I roll my own to save money and smoke at least 20 a day. I have a hacking cough, chronic congestion and my skin is yellow and becoming noticeably more wrinkled. I heard on the news this morning that there will be a nicotine lozenge available next month to help get over the cravings when you quit (like the patches). 75 will cost $39.95 and I think I may give it a try.
I am totally addicted and LOVE to smoke. I have lost so much weight that EVERYONE I know comments on it when they see me. I do not want to gain weight ever, ever again. Maybe working two jobs will help me overcome my addiction, but it's going to be hard no matter how I do it.
Wish I could help you, Lyin.