Je Ne Suis Pas Charlie - I just ain't Charlie.

by andrekish 62 Replies latest members politics

  • andrekish
    andrekish

    It is so easy to get swept along with an ideal when that ideal sounds good.  But, as is the case here, freedom of speech does not in life exist - anywhere - and rightly so.  To clarify one point - I offer absolutely no defense for the murdering, cold, ruthless buggers who carried out these terrible attacks.  They have no excuse for their behaviour and all who say thus here are indeed very correct.

    One problem that can occur during these types of awful events is that mass hysteria - or even the mildest form of it - is so often manipulated by our leaders so that we follow their viewpoint and thus any potential hand of friendship is often withdrawn and those who suffer on both sides are those innocents who really should not be dragged into warfare - physical or verbal.  This helps no-one on this planet.

    I feel nothing but total disgust each and every single time innocents get caught up in the fights of others.  It is cruel and heartless, as are many folk who draw breath and carry weapons.  All killers everywhere are guilty.  Not one has clean hands.  The concept that we can justifiably loose a weapon towards the middle east without knowing how many children are gonna die is morally corrupt for all mankind.

    Human leaders do not care for freedom of speech - it upsets their plans and sometimes helps curtail their madness.  It is not in any of their interests, it truly is not.  Thus when they say they are Charlie they are talking bullshit.  They are simply rubbing their grubby little hands together and loving the media tide and attention.

    If our leaders cared for humanity they would practice policies of peace rather than agitation.  They would have tried to calm the waters rather than create the tidal wave of hatred that they and the media caused.  It is they who also terrorise us each and every day. 

    This will all end once the apocalypse starts so roll on armageddon.  If I say more than this about the prophesied future of mankind it may just be laughed at by some, but many on this site are aware of what the future holds.

    I do not and cannot support any one nation above another nor do I condemn any nation above another.  All mean have DNA thus all men are equal and strangely enough all men can be right idiots when they set their minds to it.  We all could lift ourselves beyond this.  Our problem is with men not religion or any God.  It is with those who manipulate and kill for whatever excuse they manage to dream up. We are at their mercy and they bring down chaos and destruction upon our heads.  We could all, each and every single one of us, do to others what we want done to us or else we may as well give up now 'coz we aren't worth a spit..

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    This will all end once the apocalypse starts so roll on armageddon.  If I say more than this about the prophesied future of mankind it may just be laughed at by some, but many on this site are aware of what the future holds.

    You mean stupid moronic postulations derived from ancient mythology, that a almighty deity/creator is going cure all of mankind's problems by killing most of living humanity ?  (Jehovah) 

    Sorry but that deity is held only in human imagination and ignorance as well and was composed from other ancient mythological beliefs.  Remember the ancient Hebrews used to kill non believers (infidels) of their god Jehovah,  invading other civilizations who worshipped different gods.

    So what your saying andrekish is you cant wait for Jehovah to start Armageddon, that's when there will be some real killing going on, making what the Muslim extremists ISIL is doing look like peanuts.

  • Simon
    Simon
    I do not and cannot support any one nation above another nor do I condemn any nation above another

    So countries that follow rules of law and have judicial systems with checks and balances to protect people are no better than those there women and children are butchered?

    I'm sorry, I think you're dead wrong: some civilizations are better than others because they treat people better. Quality of life is a measurable thing and something to be valued.

    Our problem is with men not religion or any God.  It is with those who manipulate and kill for whatever excuse they manage to dream up

    Well men invent their gods in order to have control. Certain men and certain religions seem to have invented far more bloodthirsty gods though.

    But if you want to see everything as all equal then that's your choice. I think it's political correct madness but your madness to believe in if you chose to.

    There is some irony that you are only able to voice a dissenting opinion about freedom of speech from the majority view in certain civilizations - in others you would be flogged or killed for any dissent and yet you think all are equal.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    I find it amazing that in this day and age, we still have people who think ridiculing and mocking an ongoing religious ideology founded 1400 years ago, which in itself encourages the killing of non believers of this particular belief , absurd and unjustifiable.

    Say andrekish if your so devoted to your god Jehovah, why don't you go to Syria right now and preach to those Muslims that they are worshiping the wrong god and after come back and tell us how you made out , I'm sure it would be very inspiring.      

  • digderidoo
    digderidoo
    Vivienne: So the outcome was fair. Why did you use it as an example? What are you even trying to use it as an example of?

    If the outcome of a court case makes things fair, by your logic we are barred from being critical of the act? Really? Does that apply to all wrongful acts? You're too smart to really believe in such a foolish argument.

  • konceptual99
    konceptual99
    Ridicule has long been a custom in the UK and France. And a very healthy one IMHO. Go back to 1792 and you can see that even the royals had their high-borne ideals challenged in the daily press as the future George 4th was mocked for his lifestyle. I can't see either the UK or France deciding to make an exception for foreign countries.

    You are right that there has been a rich tradition of satire here in the UK. Punch, Private Eye and numerous cartoonists in the broadsheets set the pattern that has been mirrored in TV from series like Yes Minister, The Thick of It. Chris Morris, many comics etc. etc. Even here however, the press have taken a decision not to show cartoons depicting Mohammed.  

    Even the most xenophobic, jingoistic tabloids will not do it.

  • JWdaughter
    JWdaughter

    I'm not Charlie, but Charlies rudeness does not deserve a violent painful death. Those people knew they were courting trouble with extremists and did it anyway-which I think was just foolish. HOWEVER, foolishness should not be a death sentence. People will go on and treat them like heroes because of the situation. Ok. Fine. Really, I don't think that "freedom of speech" is worth dying for if it is just to poke at the noses of known killers. Why?

    I have a 70year old friend who goes to Afghanistan to live for months on end so that she can help abused or widowed women and give them practical assistance to learn to support their families and help to find homes. She puts her life at risk daily for something that is WORTHY. She writes articles, too-and they piss off people, but they are telling the truth about situations and issues that face those women and she is seeking to educate and inform. She isn't just talking trash about the prophet to be a rabble rouser. He died 1400 years ago. She is working with and concered with real women and children that need her today.

    I'm not celebrating stupid and I am NOT celebrating murderous insane extremism. EVER. Those murderers dishonored the prophet in the view of most Muslims. Those murderers dishonored everything they claim to be defending and I think they were not under any illusion that it is about the prophet. It is just about revenge on the West and Charlie made itself a target that the west would understand.

  • JWdaughter
    JWdaughter
    I don't know about Mecca, but it does snow in Saudi Arabia. Not much and not every year. I was there for a summer squall (little rainstorm) when I traveled between Makkah and Medina in August.
  • JWdaughter
    JWdaughter

     I have yet to see any snowman that reasonably depicts a human being and have yet to meet 3 balls of snow that anyone would consider sentient-other than on Frosty the Snowman (always my fave holiday cartoon, btw) . Maybe he is answering based on a total lack of understanding of what a snowman is-he may have never seen one.  Culturally, it is not something that would come up much in KSA. . . . I have never seen one that was built in any way to imitate humanity. Beyond warming it with a scarf. 

  • Simon
    Simon
    Even here however, the press have taken a decision not to show cartoons depicting Mohammed. Even the most xenophobic, jingoistic tabloids will not do it. 

    I don't think most who *don't* publish it do so for any other reason than the safety of their staff. It's one thing for a small group to do something outspoken and to decide to take that risk but it is unfair for a large organization to put their employees at risk. Many have local reps in places where there could be particular danger.

    So I think we can make too much of people choosing to publish things or not.

    I have yet to see any snowman that reasonably depicts a human being and have yet to meet 3 balls of snow that anyone would consider sentient-other than on Frosty the Snowman (always my fave holiday cartoon, btw)

    What's the difference between a snow-man and a snow-woman? ... snow-balls! :)

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