Je Ne Suis Pas Charlie - I just ain't Charlie.

by andrekish 62 Replies latest members politics

  • andrekish
    andrekish

    I wonder if I stand alone in not being Charlie. I'm most definitely and quite absolutely NOT Charlie

    Charlie has been hijacked.  Charlie is rude.  Charlie deliberately tries to wind people up.  Therefore I exercise my so-called right to Freedom of Speech and say it like I see it.  Charlie ain't actually very nice.  I wouldn't want some idiot drawing outrageous pictures of me just to raise cash.  That's why Charlie was going bankrupt before us gullible idiots ever heard of him a couple of weeks ago.  Charlie's doing OK financially now we've all gone and bought the latest issue with Charlie having another pop at Mohammed. 

    Mohammed has been long gone from this earthly plane, whatever way you look at it.  He never bombed anyone but thousands have gone and killed in Mohammed's name.  It is these folk Charlie should be highlighting....not Mohammed.

    However,  Charlie has been hijacked.

    The western governments and media have turned this into an issue of freedom of speech and told us all that Charlie has been punished for this.  This is untrue.  Charlie was attacked, not for any issue of freedom of speech, but because it kept upsetting people.  The horrendous killers involved weren't attacking freedom of speech but the people who were, in their eyes, insulting a greatly respected Prophet who they hold sacred.  This in no way condones nor excuses any form of harm to others and the extremists who murdered in cold blood in Paris died by the sword.

    There is no such thing as freedom of speech - anywhere on this planet.  I cannot walk into anyone's home, for example, and insult them deeply without expecting some form of retribution therefore I impose censorship myself.  None of us openly tells it as we think it.  We wouldn't last five minutes in society if we did therefore to convince ourselves that we do have freedom of speech can be considered wrong - none of us are truly free to speak what we really think.  In one way or another we would violate some sort of law or other.  For example using the N word is culturally out of bounds for some but not others.  The word Faggot can be used by some yet not others.  Freedom of speech does not in reality exist.  It cannot for the sake of civilised society.

    But the governments and media would love to convince you that it does.  How else are they ever gonna get millions onto the street with the idea that freedom of speech is being attacked when it isn't.  Islamic extremists won't take over the west - we got really big guns and stuff and we know how to use them, don't we?  We've shown that our governments aren't afraid to use them and annihilate any civilians who get in the way.  Whilst my online activity is at the mercy of my freedom loving government i remember that my right to the freedom of speech means their right to investigate me if I so much as type in the wrong words - ie misspelling pop corn as cop porn.  Certain keywords get scrutinised - and certain people who, in the west, try to exercise the so-called freedom of speech we have end up stuck in foreign embassies after revealing the truth and being declared traitors.  Whistle-blowers beware.

    And in conclusion I ain't Charlie 'coz  he's rude to people and I have more intelligence than to go around deliberately winding up the mad people with guns just to sell a few copies of a magazine no-one has ever heard of - the mad people who have a history of extreme nastiness.  I exercise my right to not do this and be a coward. 

    Thus basically I'm not very Charlie at all - and very probably standing alone - again.

  • cofty
    cofty
    Charlie was attacked, not for any issue of freedom of speech, but because it kept upsetting people

    This is a contradiction.

    The only freedom of speech that needs to be fought for is speech that makes other people very angry.

    I exercise my right to not do this and be a coward

    So?

    Je suis Charlie

  • wallowindawn
    wallowindawn

    100 percent agreed. I heard about this magazine years back and saw how vulgar it was. Not in regards to Islam in the issue I saw but judaism. It was nothing but repulsive and juvenile humor that was created only to offend. 

    That publication is written with the clear motive of being offensive. That's not me. I won't jump on that band wagon. 

    It's deplorable what took place at the offices of this magazine. The people who committed those acts are terrorists. I am however not surprised that this sort of thing happened. In truth I do not think anyone truly is except maybe the people who work there.

    At a time when so much anger is in the air and you purposely stoke the fire and purposely try to offend in the worst way a group that has small pockets that are ready to kill over foolishness like the shit they make it can happen.

    If you poke a hornets nest it is possible you will get stung

  • cofty
    cofty

    I too find the cartoons to be silly but that isn't the point.

    When we stop ridiculing bad ideas we let the bullies win.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Reluctantly I must agree with you, andrekish - moi, je suis pas Charlie aussi.

    I don't have the balls to by the magazine or wear a t-shirt with Muhammad on it. TBH, I don't think I'd have bought the magazine before the Paris shootings.

    Freedom of speech does not in reality exist - you're right, freedom of speech is an ideal, and does not exist to the nth degree. As a white heterosexual, 'n****r' and 'f****t' are out of bounds for me, and rightly so.

    However, I hope you agree with me that in the West, we have more freedoms than people have in other countries. 

  • wallowindawn
    wallowindawn

    No one said to stop ridiculing bad ideas. We should also be able to ridicule bad ones. Say anything we like regardless of how it makes others feel.

    They can continue to create the exact same comics and insane people may continue to kill the employees.

  • Simon
    Simon

    I think it is wrong to even imply that they somehow "had it coming" or "brought it on themselves". Let's put the blame squarely where it lies - with murderers who think their own warped outlook should ride roughshod over everyone else, to the point of their sensitivities being more important than other people's lives.

    There is a long tradition of satire and political cartoons. What exactly would a non-offensive political cartoon look like? Lots of other groups were targets of their satire but none of them felt the need to kill or murder because of it.

    Freedom means putting up with things you may find offensive as well as having the ability to voice your opinion which includes the right to say "I don't like that". Many don't have that freedom when it comes to much more important matters where they face death or torture if they don't comply. So really, getting so upset over a few drawings seems a little petty by comparison.

    The issue, let's not forget, is a power struggle between different factions of retards who think everyone else should be as retarded as they are.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams
    Just one further point, andrekish: Charlie Hebdo takes the p1$$ out of all religions/politicians/peoples. Why wasn't the Charlie Hebdo staff killed by extremist Hindus/Christians/Jews/political parties?
  • cofty
    cofty
    As a white heterosexual, 'n****r' and 'f****t' are out of bounds for me, and rightly so

    This is a complete red herring.

    In the UK you will be arrested for racial abuse and rightly so. Ridiculing others for what they believe and how the behave is totally different.

  • wallowindawn
    wallowindawn

    You are using quotes as if someone said in this thread that they had it coming or brought it on themselves.

    They knew that crazy extremists would try to hurt them for offending. They knew that this period in time was probably the worst in history to agitate them unless they wanted some type of response.

    They valued free speech... they utilized it the way it should be utilized. Bad people did something that most people probably figured they would.

    They are / were champions of free speech and unfortunately bad people did bad things because of what they wrote

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