by Englishman 75 Replies latest jw friends
That's not necessarily an argument for the death penalty. It's just an argument for making sure that a life sentence really is a life sentenceBe sure? If they are alive, you can't ever be sure and you know it. Just imagine how the parents of that 16 year old must have felt when the dirtbag got out.
How can you ever be sure of anything when it comes to governments and laws? They always change. But dead is dead and revenge is a good thing.
Let me clarify, I don't think the Germans are doing this to embarass the US, rather, they are trying to show to the EU that they are independent of the US. Also it's done to appease the French, but more importantly to appease the Arabs who have the oil they need, and to hopefully (HA YA RIGHT) avoid acts of Terror against them. They are, basically, cowards.
Yep, "early outs" make LIFE a worthless sentence for one who deserves it. And truly, anyone involved in murders deserves that consideration (death penalty or life). Certainly anyone involved in serial killing, mass murder or terrorist (wholesale) killing is deserving of one of the two most severe choices.
But, the "early out" scenario makes a "slap on the wrist" of a serious issue.
The problem with all the DO-GOODER pap is that the DO-GOODER always gets played for a sucker by the one he tries to help. (Laughing at the foolish DO-GOODER, not getting un-serious.)
Edited by - mustang on 1 September 2002 14:21:43
The "sweetness and light" DO-GOODERS are the ones who OPPOSE the death penalty. These are the guys who would rehabilitate the Al-Qaida.
If I understand you correctly, please reconsider your generalisations: I do oppose the death penalty, but I certainly do not favour the "rehabilitation" (whatever you mean by that) of convicted terrorists.
Fine, we can send you and the Germans the bill for maintenance of these offenders.
Well, the Germans (actually: the German government) know the price for keeping their murderers in prison, and they pay it. It's their decision, which you may find good or bad, but it's their money.
While I think they are mistaken in the specific case we're talking about, there is a good point: if you think the death penalty is a violation of human rights, why should you support other governments that practice it?
I don't think the US is willing to pay for the prison sentences of US citizens who'd otherwise get whipped 25 times with barbed wire, or something like that. Does the USA (or any other nation) send money to prevent the public stoning of women accused of adultery? AFAIK not, but they complain about it. So where's the hypocrisy?
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@ Yerusalyim:
sorry but this is complete nonsense.
1. germany acted this way before to oppose capital punishment.
2. t he members of the EU (as the rest of the world except britain and israel) is pretty fed up with US foreign politics. neither germany nor any other country has a reason to get involved in this war against terrorism since it is the politics of the US that has caused the whole mess in the first place.
3. the argument with the oil is silly since the arab countries are not even against the execution of this guy.
Yeru,
More for ya: the Germans are flush to the gills with Muslim "invaders". I watch Deutche Welle on occasion. A while back they mentioned the "Caliphate of Dresden". The Muslims have moved in and set up their own provisional governments within Germany!!!
Its not that the Muslims have influenced them, YET, but look out!!!
Fine, we can send you and the Germans the bill for maintenance of these offenders.
"Well, the Germans (actually: the German government) know the price for keeping their murderers in prison, and they pay it. It's their decision, which you may find good or bad, but it's their money. "
Then if they want to stick their nose into American sovereignty, they can bring their wallet and pay the freight!!! Same for the DO-GOODERS, here!!!
Edited by - mustang on 1 September 2002 14:44:4
"I don't think the US is willing to pay for the prison sentences of US citizens who'd otherwise get whipped 25 times with barbed wire, or something like that. Does the USA (or any other nation) send money to prevent the public stoning of women accused of adultery? AFAIK not, but they complain about it. So where's the hypocrisy?"
Frankly, nobody can keep up with these justice/injustices. They are all "opinions" done for what seems right to the nation for their own reasons. Who Are we to say what is right for the next sovereignty AS LONG AS IT KEEPS ITS SOLUTIONS/PROBLEMS WITHIN ITS OWN BORDER??
When they come outside those borders looking for trouble, it is not a good idea to meet them with rose-petals, a Coke and a smile. Carter, the "Coke and a smile" president, got his head handed to him on plate.
LETS GIVE THE TERRORISTS THE ROAD TO HELL THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR!!!!
Whar's E-Man??? Threw a brick through the window and ran, did he???
Edited by - mustang on 1 September 2002 14:42:58
Geraldo Riveria proves the point that conservatives have been making for years: a liberal is a person whose interests are not currently at stake. Dodge a few bullets and KAPOW, you're as conservative as they come. This underlines the hallmark of liberalism, socialism, etc. - an unbelieveable ability to engage in undisguised hypocrisy while looking you square in the eyes.
-francois
