JAH REASONS WITH DICTATORS OF SODOM

by You Know 51 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • You Know
    You Know

    Peter once wrote concerning Paul's writings, saying: "In them, however, are some things hard to understand"

    That being the case, it is understandable why Jehovah opened his long-running dialogue with Israel, through Isaiah, by saying: "My own people have not behaved understandingly." Further, in that 1 st chapter, at verse 10, Jehovah addresses the leaders of his people saying: "Hear the word of Jehovah, you dictators of Sodom. Give ear to the law of our God, you people of Gomorrah." No doubt the Jewish leaders of Israel took great offense at Isaiah's proclamation likening them to the notorious Sodomites, just as Watchtower officials today would never consent to these words applying to them. Yet, over in verse 18 Jehovah invites the "dictators of Sodom" and other residents to "Come, now, you people, and let us set matters straight between us," says Jehovah. The point is that those whom Jehovah describes as the "people of Gomorrah" are also described as God's people.

    While Jehovah's Witnesses like to think of ourselves as having a fine relationship with Jehovah because of our being in his clean organization, the fact of the matter is that it is not a clean organization. Like the grossly immoral cities of Sodom and Gomorrah that Jehovah incinerated in the days of Abraham, Jehovah's Witnesses are similarly plagued with all sorts of immorality. Child abuse is the absolute worst. And while we have publicly proclaimed our abhorrence of sexual immorality and child abuse, the fact remains that such things exist within our imagined spiritual paradise and that the Watchtower has tried to cover over such things and has not pleaded the cause of the victims of child abuse.

    Jehovah's counsel at verse 17 is: "Learn to do good; search for justice; set right the oppressor; render judgment for the fatherless boy; plead the cause of the widow." So, while many have been stumbled over the lawlessness and oppression in the organization, and apostates would have us believe that such crimes and hypocrisy automatically disqualifies us from being God's people, God's own word indicates otherwise. The very fact that Jehovah seeks to set matters straight with his people is proof that Jehovah is in control and that his people are not beyond redemption.

    Of note is the end result of Jehovah's correction, verse 18 says: "Though the sins of you people should prove to be as scarlet, they will be made white as snow." Now, the question has to be asked: How are the sins of Israel made white as snow? The answer is only by our heeding Jehovah's rebuke and by the shed blood of Christ. But, in what way were the sins of the ancient Jews made white as snow? They weren't, not really. Paul pointed out that the blood of bulls didn't have that sort of redemptive power. That's the point. The Jews were merely a minor aspect of the prophecy of Isaiah. The real application has to do with spiritual Israel at the time of Jehovah's judgment.

    In view of the mountain of accusation against the Watchtower Society and its leadership, it is evident that from Jehovah's standpoint they do indeed fit the description of being mere dictators of Sodom. Jesus, too, indicated that his spiritual kingdom would suffer under wicked overseers, and that that lamentable condition would exist up until the time when he would send forth his angels to purge his congregation of "persons doing lawlessness," and dismiss those judged to be wicked and sluggish slaves from his household. The end result would be that Jehovah would make our scarlet colored sins as white as the driven snow.

    I sincerely hope that reasoning upon this matters from Jehovah's standpoint will help some of you recover your balance so as to trust Jehovah to sort this mess out.

    / You Know

    Edited by - You Know on 24 July 2002 8:52:25

  • minimus
    minimus

    trust in Jehovah does not mean trust in the organization.

  • Dismembered
    Dismembered

    Trust in Jehovah Y/K, just not the WTBS

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka

    I understand what you're saying YK. Good post.

    My friend has similar sentiments, as to not abandoning God because of Watchtower's faults. I have had my faith shattered by bad person's though, and I think at least a short recovery time is due.

    The very fact that Jehovah seeks to set matters straight with his people is proof that Jehovah is in control and that his people are not beyond redemption.

    His people, yes. The Watchtower Society, no. Still constantly going between wanting to believe in God again and not caring at all, I've come to believe that God's people cannot solely be Watchtowerites, but some Watchtowerites can be one of God's people, as per biblical definition.

    I sincerely hope that reasoning upon this matters from Jehovah's standpoint will help some of you recover your balance so as to trust Jehovah to sort this mess out.

    I hope to recover balance period, although I don't know yet what part God will play in it.

    ash

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost
    I sincerely hope that reasoning upon this matters from Jehovah's standpoint will help some of you recover your balance so as to trust Jehovah to sort this mess out.

    How do you imagine this will happen, YK? Doesn't this approach involve you in contradictions? If you "wait on Jehovah", what do you do in the meantime? Still remain "zealous for fine works", i.e. field service? Take the matter of field service: does it seem reasonable to spend a great deal of time seeking new ones who, in turn, become subject to abuse by the borg?

    It seems you have contradicted yourself in your post here:

    How are the sins of Israel made white as snow? The answer is only by our heeding Jehovah's rebuke and by the shed blood of Christ. But, in what way were the sins of the ancient Jews made white as snow? They weren't, not really. Paul pointed out that the blood of bulls didn't have that sort of redemptive power.

    After stating this, you advocate "waiting on Jehovah". Doesn't seem reasonable, does it, since you've acknowledged that the Israelites (Jehovah's "organisation") were to have their special position taken away from them?

    Cheers, Ozzie

  • You Know
    You Know

    Trust in Jehovah Y/K, just not the WTBS

    Yes, that's the point. It is obvious though that most of you trust neither. The point is, if Jah views his own people as those who are behaving without understanding, what does he think of apostates? I think you know. If you don't read Isaiah 32:5-6. He describes apostates as spouting mere senselessness. And, since no apostate takes Jehovah's judgments into the equation, but instead presumptuously advance thier own twisted interpretations of events, it is apparent that they are mere raving lunatics, as will be made apparent to all as the apostle promises. / You Know

  • minimus
    minimus

    YOU KNOW, would you consider yourself to be apostate???

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    minimus:

    I think he wants a bet "each way"!

    Cheers, Ozzie

  • Dismembered
    Dismembered

    Y/K

    You do not know If I trust in Jehovah. Be careful w/your assumptions please

    Dismembered

  • sunshineToo
    sunshineToo

    ha ha ha ha minimus, you are funny and so cute! I love your dancing red dot. ;-)

    You Know, I agree with you. But what does "waiting on Jehovah" mean to you? To me it was ignoring the victims, calling them apostates, praising the WTS as "faithful and discreet slave" class, and go out door to door to recuit more new members. I couldn't do that. I couldn't tell people to join the WTS. It was a matter of principle both moral and biblical.

    Maybe all this publicity might be a way of Jehovah punishing the WTS. Who knows? ;-)

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