Child Molestation

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Tina

Hi jt,
Bingo!!! regards,Tina
Focus

Example of Watchtower "policy":
(1) YOU HAVE A DUTY: to confirm whether what was taught by the WTBTS was in harmony with the Bible - and if not, not to circulate it {WT Mar 1 1894 repr p1629}, to confirm WT teachings against the Bible {WT May 1 1934 p131}, to invite critical examination of your faith {WT Aug 15 1950 p263}, to examine religion to see if it is true or false {WT Nov 15 1963 p688}, to actively examine your own religion {The Truth That Leads To Eternal Life 1968 p13}, to check and examine BOTH sides of a matter {Awake! Oct 22 1973 p6}, to know that your religion was in no way afraid of being exposed to scrutiny {WT Aug 1 1978 p12}, to be willing to submit everything to scrutiny {Awake! Aug 22 1984 p22/28}, to have an open mind {WT Nov 22 1984 p3-4}, to examine other people's religion with an open mind {WT Apr 1 1991 p17} and to exhibit freedom of thought {Awake! Jun 8 1994 p21};
AND(you can look up the references for these)
(2) YOU MUST ALSO: not read literature critical of the WTBTS (it is likened to spiritual pornography), not question WTBTS teachings or authority in any way, be submissive and trusting, accept all WTBTS teachings as if they come direct from God - and that independent thinking is from Satan.
The wordings in the articles makes it clear that it is more than counsel or guidance - it is policy.
Quite amusing what fanciful nonsense F iend attempts to construct on/in the quicksand of WTBTS policy.
Friend dissembled on Mar 15, 2001 at 7:21:25PM:
what lacks in your conclusions; they do not exclude or even address an obvious possibility as does your accusations against me! I could have just as well said in the beginning of your tirades against my person that you left out an obvious possibility: That I could be sincere
Can't you read? I have repeatedly stated that an alternative explanation could be that you are both sincere AND nuts. So, yet again you are wrong.
those sorts of questions you posed to me represent shifting the burden of proof.
Can't you read? The case was already established. Out of fairness one was looking for mitigation - schizophrenia, some other form of mental illness beyond the normal levels of WT-brainwashing, etc.
Your lack of a defense was already noted; the absence of mitigation is not. Mentally ill people usually consider most others to be idiots who cannot understand their crystalline logic...
you idiot .. your fallacious reasoning .. spelled out for you with a crayon .. your lack of reasoning skills .. your constant reliance on .. ad hominem .. your ignorance .. your horrific reasoning skill seems to be wearing off more and more on your gallery of followers .. an idiot like you .. Go get an education in basic reasoning skills .. maybe we can communicate! .. I feel as though I am writing to a 2-year-old, and without the aid of water colors!
And there he loses what remained of his credibility - ROTFL!
Does one get the idea he does not quite grasp what comprises an ad hominem? We know, we know... like Mamma, like son, a hypocrite to the core!
And frankly, I don’t care what you think of me
You are doing a good impersonation of someone who does....
Truth hurts - but the truth - for which you by your own admission spiritually-pimp - hurts others even more. You deserve all you get.
To all: don't let this common jerkdiscourage you with his legalistic claptrap and attempts to confuse and put you off (as I have said, if that is not his intention, then he is nuts - for that is the only real consequence of his misconduct). He is frequently wrong, and I have demonstrated (with a little help from AlanF and others) a host of his errors in his reasoning and argument in the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=3035&site=3 which thread he has evacuated.
Contrary to what both the Watchtower and the F iend Class try to tell you - THE SIMPLEST EXPLANATION IS VERY OFTEN THE CORRECT ONE. And I have provided that explanation. We'll be examining the cessation of F iend's involvement in h2O administration in future sessions.
Remember, friends who have been hurt by that filthy Watchtower hydra - that loved one who shuns you has """"Friend"""" (or one of his fellow spiritual-molesters) whispering in their ear, keeping alive their "pure loathing" of you...
--
Focus
(The Simplest Explanation... Class)
Focus

JT wrote:
it is true that WT will help folks out if there is a diaster, flood earthquAKE
"help" - by their definition. In a recent article to which I do not have immediate access, on some catastrophe, it was revealed that relief carried out was by individual JWs only (NOT the Watchtower) and was for the benefit only of JWs. Of course they claimed they helped others too - but when you look at the detail, you see that such help was merely handing out copies of Watchtower and Awake! to victims...
the WT has no support system in place for it's own missionaries/ traveling men and thier wives instead they recently KICKED IT OUT TO THE LOCAL JW TO PROVIDE
Again, it is worse than you outline. "Turn to Caesar" is a better summary of what the WTBTS wants such people to do - milk the local social security system as far as they can. There's somehing in the Branch Office Procedure manual about this, I believe. Nowadays they have got more careful about such admissions.
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Focus
(Anti-WTBTS Class)
ICHING

If the fascist policies of the Brooklyn based book publishing company/real estate conglomerate Evil Inc.'s Board of Fascists (The GB of the WTBTS in your terms) were in anyway remotely relevant within the big scheme of things (ESPECIALLY in the eyes of GOD) than I doubt if anyone would have a problem with F iends posts.
Reality is to the contrary and that's why everything he writes is inconsequential and, more to the point - fatally flawed - regardless of the so called EVIL Inc. (WTBTS in your terms) subject/policies/reforms under discussion.
If F iend wishes to ignore this reality and pursue his noble cause of so called "reforms" to an inconsequential irrelevancy that's his perogative.
The French resistance fought a real, consequential & relevant cause - (freedom) - within the big scheme of things.
In my humble opinion the perpetuation of sales of "literature" printed by EVIL Inc. (The WTBTS in your terms)fails to meet similar criteria and any attempts to draw parallels between the two is not only ludicrous but delusional.
Maybe he's watched Casablanca one too many times?
I'll close with a quote from that film:
"I don't mind a parasite. I object to a cut-rate one." --Rick.
ICHING
Edited by - ICHING on 16 March 2001 1:54:12
ICHING

F iend asked:
Shouldn’t we all be stirring for the betterment of the community we have chosen to reside amidst?
and the I-CHING replied:
yea you've convinced me -
I guess we should -
especially when that community is an
inconsequential irrelevancy
within the big sceme of things
(and in the eyes of GOD)
that profits from enslaving people
(in some cases to death)
by perpetuating falsehoods & error.
But even more especially so
because it means that in order to
"explain" those "seeming" "falsehoods" & "errors"
(so obviously seen)
to others
we will all have to begin
posting insanity
comparable to yours here.
Yep that makes a lot of sense to me, stirring for the betterment of that kind of community, that makes a real lotta sense F iend.
ICHING
Edited by - iching on 16 March 2001 6:18:2
ICHING

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Edited by - iching on 16 March 2001 6:57:44
ICHING

JT
they don't "Fart" until they know what the SOCIETY SAYS ON THE MATTER
reform is astir and policy may be changing
rumour has it that this could be scaled down to a "conscience matter"*
watch this space.
Great post JT.
I-CHING
*
CONSCIENCE MATTER - DEFINED:
"When it's OK to think for yourself
but really you're not thinking for yourself
because you're thinking for yourself because
really
being told to think for yourself
was just another comforting order
in disguise
from the fascist commanding authority
whom you've
conscensually
permitted to control
all your thinking
including
when you can
and can't
think for yourself.
Edited by - iching on 16 March 2001 7:1:42
circare

Focus
I thank you for taking my words at face value. I was not attempting humility, but trying to make the point that I am just your average 'joe blow', and yes part of the 'majority'. I'm not sure however, why that makes me any more unaware of Friend's hidden agenda than anyone else's, including yours? Yes I agree with you, there are times when Friend's manner is condescending. Friend does though point out the flaws in the reasonings presented and the sweeping generalisations that are often made. It seems to me that we all too often attack the person when we don't like the message, instead of considering the message itself.
I think you are correct about my insecurity. I think this insecurity stems from the perception that perhaps in associating here I have not left behind the WTS after all. It seems that many are still playing the same 'game' just with different team colours, (and I am not referring to Friend here).
For some of us sensationalism does not work. For some of us fanaticism does not work If you are writing for the 'media' I can understand your using that style. The majority here on this db however, are not members of the media.
You are right, I got carried away. The issues were not totally clouded, just clouded.
It is precisely because I have a distaste for the WTS dessembling that I feel we need to be more careful with the arguments we present and the style in which they are presented. Otherwise we come across as just another disgruntled former member, which allows people to brush aside any message we may have.

Imo the greatest tool for those that want to 'save' others from the WTS is to show that we are well adjusted, reasonable people who have a happy and fulfilled life outside the WTS. When others have doubts and are looking for someone to talk with it will not be with bitter, raving fanatics attacking one another, but people who can display patience, love, understanding and reasoning abilities.
ICHING

i'm starting to see how all this fits together:
EVIL Inc.
a screenplay in progress.
by I-CHING
EXT. DRAFFENVILLE - SUBURBAN HOME- FRONTDOORSTEP - DAY
ANGLES -
a mans hand knocking on the front door
An eye through the frontdoor peephole looks out at us.
The door opens to reveal -
A woman in her fifties - still in her pink dressing gown - freshly lit cigarette dangling between her lips - copy of the Draffenville Chronicle in her hand.
WIDE - the man that knocked at the door - a Jehovahs Witness - (BROTHER FRIEND) - dressed in a suit that went out of style back when Gramps was kneehigh to a grasshopper - a suitcase(witnessing bag) in his left hand - awakes , watchtowers and what looks to be Tom Edisons phonogram prototype - in his right - he has his back to us.
WOMAN
What do you want?
BROTHER FRIEND
Good Morning Madam we're calling on our neighbour ……….
WOMAN
(interupting)
she shoves the newspaper into Bro Friends face angrily pointing to the headline
Wait a minute - you're not one of those pedophile protecting Jehovahs Witnesses they were talking about on the front page of the paper today are you?
INSERT: CLOSE ON - FRONTPAGE HEADLINE - DRAFFENVILLE CHRONICLE -
Ex- JW Blows Lid on Pedophile Protection Racket Within Church.
BROTHER FRIEND
What is revealed about the Society’s motivations regarding reporting (or not) of child abuse to secular authorities?
INSERT - CLOSE ON WOMANS FACE
SOUND - Brother Friends monotonous drone continues BG.
The drone of Bro Friends voice and content of his message has a somnolent effect - the woman begins nodding off - standing - cigarette still dangling from between her lips - the draffenville chronicle slips from her fingers and falls to the floor.
BACK ON -
BROTHER FRIEND
(continues monotonously)
It is revealed that the Society wants to keep reports of child abuse very private within JW circles. It is revealed that though a sexual predator of children is a threat to an entire community the Society still prefers to keep knowledge of such a person’s conduct privileged. It is revealed that this is a deplorable act, an act of selfishness on the part of the Society.
As a religious guide the question the Society must answer is this: Is it right to provide reports of known child abuse to the secular authorities? An additional question is: Is it right to provide reports of suspected child abuse to secular authorities? The Society’s actions demonstrate that they do think it is right to make such reports but they do not apply that conclusion uniformly. What does that mean?
There is perhaps no argument that one single policy from the Society could practically and uniformly deal with reports of child abuse. Why is that?
CUT TO:
INT. PLUSH BOARDROOM - EVIL Inc. - DAY
12 old men (the EVIL Inc. board of fascists) in wheelchairs sit at a long table - all are hooked to some elaborate form of life support system or another - each has a copy of a newspaper - The Draffenville Chronicle placed on the table before them.
CLOSE ON - FRONTPAGE HEADLINE - DRAFFENVILLE CHRONICLE -
Ex- JW Blows Lid on Pedophile Protection Racket Within Church.
.
ANGLE UP ON - at the head of the table - a withered white prune of a man
On the old man - WIDER - buried beneath piles of blankets - his wheelchair a mobile crossbreed of iron lung/cryogenic capsule - obviously THE PRESIDENT of EVIL Inc. - he begins to speak through The Tube in his throat.
CLOSE ON - The Tube - President of Evil Inc.'s arthritic ridden finger enters frame to activate The Tubes on/off switch to ON.
EVIL Inc. President Voice Over (VO)
(voice sounds like he's gargling razor blades)
Do any of you morons realize the impact this is going to have on magazine sales for the next six months?
CUT TO:
EXT. DRAFFENVILLE - SUBURBAN HOME- FRONTDOORSTEP - SAME
BROTHER FRIEND
(continues monotonous drone)
It is because protection and justice from community to community differs sometimes so significantly that how moral people respond to that authority must differ. For example, some governments and communities in this wide world are prone to executing first and investigating second—if at all. Understandably, in such communities moral people are far more reluctant to report suspected cases of child abuse
SOUND - BACKGROUND - snoring begins - also we can hear a fly buzzing around .
BROTHER FRIEND
cont.
…….or even cases that are somewhat evidenced but not evidenced decisively to the levelheaded and reasonable person. But the Society’s actions do not stem from potential injustice or lack of protection from secular authorities. How do we know that?
Circumstances in the United States actually illustrate well that the Society wants to keep reports of child abuse very private within its own sphere of influence, but its actions in that nation also betray the Society’s real incentive, which incentive has nothing whatsoever to do with what is best for children. In the United States it is true that laws addressing child abuse vary from state to state. Nevertheless among secular authorities throughout that nation the prudence, protection and justice provided stemming from reported child abuse is pretty uniform in that protection and justice is generally the same from one jurisdiction to another from state to state. But, in the United States admittedly the Society’s action of reporting (or not) of child abuse has nothing whatsoever to do with a jurisdiction’s protective, investigative and/or prosecutorial record and everything to do with penal code! (And not one of those codes prohibits elders [clergy] from reporting known child abuse) That is why the Society tells some elder bodies to report known child abuse and others that they need not report. The question becomes, why would the Society direct elders to report in some jurisdictions but not in other jurisdictions with everything else being equal in terms of protection and justice afforded? There is only one answer and it is the one given above. The Society wants to keep reports of child abuse very private within its own sphere of influence.
INSERT WOMANS FACE - fast asleep - cigarette has burned down to a butt.
BACK ON:
BROTHER FRIEND
cont.
If the Society felt otherwise then they would insist that elder bodies act uniformly by reporting known and suspected child abuse throughout the United States and other jurisdictions having a reasonably similar record of prudence, protection and justice from law enforcement authorities. At the very least the Society would explicitly encourage that victims report this insidious crime! The Society has already demonstrated that reporting known and suspected child abuse is not in violation of any Biblical tenets because in jurisdictions requiring such reporting they tell elders to comply with those reporting laws. So, if there is no Biblical violation then why not report uniformly (or at least actively encourage that victims report) when protection and enforcement is reasonably equal? Again, there is only one reason and it is one having to do with an ill-conceived notion of preservation . Just what they are trying to preserve is not all that difficult to determine. What is the object of that ill-conceived preservation?
If theirs was some legitimate Biblical concern about protecting the reputation of God’s name, Jehovah (as if we need to protect Him!), or meeting some Biblical requirement then the Society would have to uniformly either prohibit or require reporting, but that is not what it has done. By instructing some elders to comply with penal code that requires reporting the Society has in essence said, it is morally okay to report these cases. So, if it is moral then why not uniformly report when all else is reasonably equal? The only object of preservation left becomes a selfish one.
By its deplorable action the Society has demonstrated that it is less concerned with the real and day-to-day interests of helpless and innocent children than it is with its own instrumentational viability......
SOUND - BG - the womans snoring is getting louder - fly still buzzing.
BROTHER FRIEND
(continues monotonous drone)
....the internal strife and anger on this issue runs deep and it is heating up! The Society should have listened to its battery of lawyers years ago when they advised a uniform policy of reporting child abuse when protection and justice is reasonable expected.
Why did the Society want those letters reproduced on this and other forums held in such strict confidence? Because they betray the Society’s self-interest gained at the expense of children and their families! In the end their interests will suffer over this and other issues.
That is quite a smoking gun, and it is undeniable! In fact, in recent weeks the Society’s own attorneys have admitted (apparently without thinking through it very well as attorneys) that the Society’s policies have been far too inadequate because they have admitted to knowing of botched cases in spite of policies in place, which policies include the matter of training and verification of understanding stemming from that training (or lack of). How else could they claim to know of cases where elders ‘did not follow directions’ without it being de facto admission of known inadequacy on the part if the Society’s representatives and therefore bad policy? The problem with the sort of inadequacies spoken of here is that it should take only a very few cases (perhaps just one!) to realize a flaw in the system (policy) and correct it. This has not happened in the obvious ways it needs to be done in relation to reporting incidents to legitimate authorities. One problem the Society will face is the potentially huge numbers who will be willing to come forth and testify to this lack and do so with one voice. That number will certainly be more than just a few, in fact it already is.
Just how deep the Society will yet mire itself in this sordid affair is yet to be seen, but what lay ahead will become even more untenable and nasty unless some major change is enacted by decision-makers at Brooklyn Bethel on a number of key issues into compliance with that which is sound and moral based upon the Bible, most importantly in those issues involving blood and child abuse.
INSERT WOMANS FACE - still in the land of nod - a fly is walking all over her face.
CUT TO:
ANGLES -
The suitcase - open on the front doorstep - contains every volume of Studies in the Sciptures - old 78 rpm records - a well worn copy of the elders manual - copy of LAW for DUMMIES.
Dejected Brother Friend tosses the awake and watchtower magazines he's holding into the suitcase.
BROTHER FRIEND
mumbling incoherent revenge consolations to himself with talk of this property acqusition post armageddon.
EXT. DRAFFENVILLE - SUBURBAN STREET/SIDEWALK - SAME
Brother Friend makes his way down the front footpath of the house.
INSERT - CLOSE ON - the snapping rabid fangs of a demon possesed pitbull terrier.
ANGLES - WIDE - midway down footpath - the demon possesed pitbull springs from behind a bush and clamps it's vice like jaw around Brother Friends throat - knocking Brother Friend to the ground - the suitcase flies open - dropped phonogram smashes to smithereens - Woman still dozing BG at front door.
BROTHER TAKETHELEAD - (an 11 year old kid) - and SISTER FIRSTDAYINFIELD - (claudia schiffer lookalike) - enter frame - walking down the sidewalk.
BROTHER TAKETHELEAD
(to sister firstday)
….and did you did you notice the new light that was being brought out by the society in paragraph 86 of chapter 251 of the Happiness How to Cope With It book at the book study last………
he notices the mauling taking place in the front yard of the house
(to Brother Friend)
Brother Friend, you're aware that Society Policy on field service reporting cannot include time spent playing Dr Doolittle with the householders pets?
CLOSE ON - Brother Friend
attempting a poor Hulk Hogan imitation on the dog to no avail - the dog is making the shark from JAWS look like Flipper the dolphin.
BROTHER FRIEND
AAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOTE: This is a work in progress and is subject to revision at any time.
I-CHING
Edited by - iching on 17 March 2001 6:32:20
ICHING

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