Child Molestation

by Friend 62 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • Friend
    Friend

    Expatbrit

    The WT is registered as a charity in Canada.

    Yes, it is. Did the good state of Canada accept the return you linked to as valid and in accordance with its laws? If so, then, according to that state’s requirements for a registered charity the Society met it. But Tina seems to think that the Society is register somewhere as a charitable organization where they are not meeting whatever that registration means. Do you know of such an instance?

    JT

    EACH ASSIGNMENT YOU get- be it --Public talk/ CA/ District Part/ Special Assembly Day part/ Instructing Elders school/ or serving on ANY COMMITTEE is just another example of you "SERVING the Society"

    Fine. Now we have your understanding of what that means. Now let’s here what Focus’ usage is intended to say. Then we can determine if his comments have merit in his vindictive assaults on my character.

    Friend

  • JT
    JT

    Friend states:

    First of all, I have not chosen to help Jehovah’s Witnesses to the exclusion of any other group of people, not that you have inferred otherwise. As able I try to help all people that I can.

    ***********
    now this is really funny, why , well he writes as if he is talking to NONJW and so on the surface it sounds reasonable ,but he like so many other jw forget that WE ALL KNOW THE RULES both Written and Unwritten
    allow me to give you just an example

    Assuming that Friend is an Elder

    What do you think would happen to Friend----if Friend Decided on his own to work at a Rape Crisis Center/ Homeless shelter, etc, just ONE , NOT 2 BUT ONE SAT out of the month between the hours of 9AM and 12AM

    now we all know that as soon as it was Known among the congo/CO/DO and Lord have Mercy if the boys Down the Hill/Up in Patterson found out about.

    would he be:

    1. commended for taking time out of his personal schedule to do such a deed

    2. be allowed to quit- if he wanted to continue/Serve- (yes we see that Serving Phrses come up again)

    you see Friend you don't have any Freedom despite your wonderful claim for we all know that "IF" you are an elder you would be Shafted for doing such a thing

    while "Normal" folks would be commended- your COMMUNITY AS you like to refer to it WOULD DOG YOU

    now you can play games with the type of assistance you offer to others who are not JW , but everyone who reads this post will get the point even if you don't

    and that is so sad

    JAMES

  • Focus
    Focus

    Here in this thread F iend exhibits even more of the characteristics justifying my classification expressed in the thread "So, who is the Society's STOOGE here?" at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=3318&site=3 . What a card!

    Friend uttered:

    Now let’s here what Focus’ usage is intended to say

    "performing its works"

    Definition: Whatever that you do - in whatever capacity, and with whatever intention - that makes it, in the opinion of the informed, reasonable, unbiased onlooker, more likely that the net effect shall be (a) that someone wavering in the truth will stick on, or (b) that someone not in the truth will be assimilated, or (c) an increase (however deferred) in the net worth of the Society.

    For italicized material, consult any good Star Trek manual - see under "Borg".

    [all red-herrings re charity snipped]

    Re charitable works (lack of): it is the lack of knowledge among the R&F and sympathizers as to what constitutes a not-for-profit, a registered charity etc. under various financial regimes upon which the WTBTS capitalizes. The real point (which F iend probably attempts to obscure) is that the Watchtower's qualification as one or other or both, presented in a certain way, makes the gullible believe things that are simply not true.

    Such ones believe that the WTS performs charitable works in the common meaning of the word (OF COURSE IT DOES NOT) or that, in simple terms, its revenues plus gains do not exceed its non-capital expenditure plus depreciation (OF COURSE THEY DO - the Watchtower is RAKING IT IN!). Neither disqualify it from being legitimately registered as a charity or a N-F-P all over the place. Of course the WTS plays on these misconceptions to the fullest.

    Ad verecundiam

    Only in proxy, then! I quoted other sources: Tina, ub etc. Do your homework better.

    I mean, either it is against Watchtower policy or it is not against
    Watchtower policy.

    It is easy to dismiss him as a Troll when one reads such unmitigated nonsense as the above...

    I think you have no reason whatsoever to vilify me, at least none other than you having problems accepting constructive criticism.

    Then stick to doing something at which you are more adroit! More adroit than at thinking, that is.

    Tina wrote: The control on who one should marry, mode of attire, what music and art one can enjoy, in short ones lifestyle is legislated,, there is little free choice
    F iend replied: All of that is a matter of opinion

    Sure - everything is opinion. That does not prevent it from also being fact. Your verbal diarrhea needs treatment - however much of a penchant you may have for vomit-eatingwith the best of the pack.

    How do you put up with this common jerk? You may have lots to learn from him - but you could have learned the same from God's so-called "wifely organization" long history of misconduct.

    THOSE ABUSED KIDS ARE STILL SQUEALING INTO THEIR PILLOWS AS THE F IEND CLASS DISTRACTS US.

    --
    Focus
    (Eclectic Class)

  • Scorpion
    Scorpion

    Friend,

    What is it that you do for a living? (Occupation)

  • Tina
    Tina

    How about India friend?
    Wasn't their license recently withdrawn because they did not carry out charitable works as listed by the govt...to claim tax exemption?
    What is their status in the UK btw? And I'm speaking of charity as the whole world defines it(except jw's) Tina

  • reigninhell
    reigninhell

    Friend, you've got the right attitude, trying to change an obvious wrong.

    But the only thing that will happen is that you'll be labeled a divisive influence, slandered, and possibly disfellowshipped (Elders aren't above fabricating evidence Friend, if you say something they don't like. Wanna guess how I was Disfellowshiped??).

    Many others have tried to reform the WT system in exactly this area, and using the same method. ALL have failed.

    If you truly believe in Jehovah as he is portrayed in WT literature, then you must also recognise that He has appointed the Governing Body and helps in their decision making processess. Therefore the WT policies concerning child abuse are Jehovahs policies. So WHY ARE YOU QUESTIONING THEM??

    If you truly don't believe that the WT is Jehovahs spirit annointed congregation THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL A MEMBER?? (Although I gotta say I would love to get reinstated, and worm my way into their infrastructure, like a cancerous cell, a true Wolf in Sheeps clothing...... <cue Evil Laughter>).

    Choose a side Friend. Either leave the fold, and take on the WT headon via expose' articles, bad publicity, court room action if you can some hard evidence, gnomes on the kingdom hall carpark (hehe nice article Uncle Chuckie...), whatever. Or sit down, shut up, and be a good little drone.

    Reign In Hell

  • ICHING
    ICHING

    I'm seeing this like a film:

    A suspense drama.

    Scene 36 EXT. DRAFFENVILLE - SUBURBAN HOME- FRONTDOORSTEP - DAY

    ANGLES - a mans hand knocking on the front door

    An eye through the frontdoor peephole looks out at us.

    The door opens to reveal -

    A woman in her fifties - still in her pink dressing gown - freshly lit cigarette dangling between her lips.

    WIDE - the man that knocked at the door - a Jehovahs Witness - (BROTHER FRIEND) - dressed in a style of suit they used to wear when Pops was still alive - a suitcase in his left hand - awakes , watchtowers and what looks to be Tom Edisons phonogram prototype - lin his right - he has his back to us.

    WOMAN

    What do you want?

    BROTHER FRIEND

    Good Morning Madam we're calling on our neighbour ……….

    WOMAN

    (interupting)

    Wait a minute - you're not one of those pedophile protecting Jehovahs Witnesses they were talking about in the paper the other day are you?

    BROTHER FRIEND

    What is revealed about the Society’s motivations regarding reporting (or not) of child abuse to secular authorities?

    INSERT - CLOSE ON WOMANS FACE

    SOUND - Brother Friends monotonous drone continues BG.

    The woman is nodding off - standing - cigarette still dangling from between her lips.

    BACK ON -

    BROTHER FRIEND

    (continues monotonously)

    It is revealed that the Society wants to keep reports of child abuse very private within JW circles. It is revealed that though a sexual predator of children is a threat to an entire community the Society still prefers to keep knowledge of such a person’s conduct privileged. It is revealed that this is a deplorable act, an act of selfishness on the part of the Society.

    As a religious guide the question the Society must answer is this: Is it right to provide reports of known child abuse to the secular authorities? An additional question is: Is it right to provide reports of suspected child abuse to secular authorities? The Society’s actions demonstrate that they do think it is right to make such reports but they do not apply that conclusion uniformly. What does that mean?

    There is perhaps no argument that one single policy from the Society could practically and uniformly deal with reports of child abuse. Why is that? It is because protection and justice from community to community differs sometimes so significantly that how moral people respond to that authority must differ. For example, some governments and communities in this wide world are prone to executing first and investigating second—if at all. Understandably, in such communities moral people are far more reluctant to report suspected cases of child abuse …….

    SOUND - BACKGROUND - snoring begins.

    BROTHER FRIEND

    cont.

    …….or even cases that are somewhat evidenced but not evidenced decisively to the levelheaded and reasonable person. But the Society’s actions do not stem from potential injustice or lack of protection from secular authorities. How do we know that?

    Circumstances in the United States actually illustrate well that the Society wants to keep reports of child abuse very private within its own sphere of influence, but its actions in that nation also betray the Society’s real incentive, which incentive has nothing whatsoever to do with what is best for children. In the United States it is true that laws addressing child abuse vary from state to state. Nevertheless among secular authorities throughout that nation the prudence, protection and justice provided stemming from reported child abuse is pretty uniform in that protection and justice is generally the same from one jurisdiction to another from state to state. But, in the United States admittedly the Society’s action of reporting (or not) of child abuse has nothing whatsoever to do with a jurisdiction’s protective, investigative and/or prosecutorial record and everything to do with penal code! (And not one of those codes prohibits elders [clergy] from reporting known child abuse) That is why the Society tells some elder bodies to report known child abuse and others that they need not report. The question becomes, why would the Society direct elders to report in some jurisdictions but not in other jurisdictions with everything else being equal in terms of protection and justice afforded? There is only one answer and it is the one given above. The Society wants to keep reports of child abuse very private within its own sphere of influence.

    INSERT WOMANS FACE - fast asleep - cigarette has burned down to a butt.

    BACK ON:

    BROTHER FRIEND

    cont.

    If the Society felt otherwise then they would insist that elder bodies act uniformly by reporting known and suspected child abuse throughout the United States and other jurisdictions having a reasonably similar record of prudence, protection and justice from law enforcement authorities. At the very least the Society would explicitly encourage that victims report this insidious crime! The Society has already demonstrated that reporting known and suspected child abuse is not in violation of any Biblical tenets because in jurisdictions requiring such reporting they tell elders to comply with those reporting laws. So, if there is no Biblical violation then why not report uniformly (or at least actively encourage that victims report) when protection and enforcement is reasonably equal? Again, there is only one reason and it is one having to do with an ill-conceived notion of preservation . Just what they are trying to preserve is not all that difficult to determine. What is the object of that ill-conceived preservation?

    If theirs was some legitimate Biblical concern about protecting the reputation of God’s name, Jehovah (as if we need to protect Him!), or meeting some Biblical requirement then the Society would have to uniformly either prohibit or require reporting, but that is not what it has done. By instructing some elders to comply with penal code that requires reporting the Society has in essence said, it is morally okay to report these cases. So, if it is moral then why not uniformly report when all else is reasonably equal? The only object of preservation left becomes a selfish one.

    By its deplorable action the Society has demonstrated that it is less concerned with the real and day-to-day interests of helpless and innocent children than it is with its own instrumentational viability......

    SOUND - BG - the womans snoring is getting louder.

    BROTHER FRIEND

    (continues monotonous drone)

    ....the internal strife and anger on this issue runs deep and it is heating up! The Society should have listened to its battery of lawyers years ago when they advised a uniform policy of reporting child abuse when protection and justice is reasonable expected.

    Why did the Society want those letters reproduced on this and other forums held in such strict confidence? Because they betray the Society’s self-interest gained at the expense of children and their families! In the end their interests will suffer over this and other issues.

    That is quite a smoking gun, and it is undeniable! In fact, in recent weeks the Society’s own attorneys have admitted (apparently without thinking through it very well as attorneys) that the Society’s policies have been far too inadequate because they have admitted to knowing of botched cases in spite of policies in place, which policies include the matter of training and verification of understanding stemming from that training (or lack of). How else could they claim to know of cases where elders ‘did not follow directions’ without it being de facto admission of known inadequacy on the part if the Society’s representatives and therefore bad policy? The problem with the sort of inadequacies spoken of here is that it should take only a very few cases (perhaps just one!) to realize a flaw in the system (policy) and correct it. This has not happened in the obvious ways it needs to be done in relation to reporting incidents to legitimate authorities. One problem the Society will face is the potentially huge numbers who will be willing to come forth and testify to this lack and do so with one voice. That number will certainly be more than just a few, in fact it already is.

    Just how deep the Society will yet mire itself in this sordid affair is yet to be seen, but what lay ahead will become even more untenable and nasty unless some major change is enacted by decision-makers at Brooklyn Bethel on a number of key issues into compliance with that which is sound and moral based upon the Bible, most importantly in those issues involving blood and child abuse.

    INSERT WOMANS FACE - still in the land of nod - a fly is walking all over her face.

    CUT TO:

    ANGLES - The suitcase - open on the front doorstep - contains every volume of Studies in the Sciptures - old 78 rpm records - a well worn copy of the elders manual - no bibles.

    Dejected Brother Friend tosses the awake and watchtower magazines he's holding into the suitcase.

    37 EXT. DRAFFENVILLE - SUBURBAN STREET/SIDEWALK - SAME

    Brother Friend makes his way down the front footpath of the house.

    INSERT - CLOSE ON - the snapping rabid fangs of a demon possesed pitbull terrier.

    ANGLES - midway down footpath - the demon possesed pitbull springs from behind a bush and clamps it's vice like jaw around Brother Friends throat - knocking Brother Friend to the ground - the suitcase flies open - Woman still dozing BG at front door.

    BROTHER TAKETHELEAD - (an 11 year old kid) - and SISTER FIRSTDAYINFIELD - (claudia schiffer lookalike) - are coming down the sidewalk.

    BROTHER TAKETHELEAD

    (as he observes the mauling taking place in the front yard of the house)

    ….and did you did you notice the new light that was being brought out by the society in paragraph 86 of chapter 251 of the Happiness How to Cope With It book at the book study last…….

    ICHING

    Edited by - iching on 14 March 2001 12:41:59

    Edited by - iching on 14 March 2001 12:44:34

  • ianao
    ianao

    Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

  • ICHING
    ICHING

    I found this Friend gem in the archives - his response when asked why he likes participating with the JW's in the door to door preaching work :

    "They have a very strong drive to reach people with the Bible. I like that, and I enjoy having company that sticks with me as I too continue to reach as many people with the Bible as possible."

    ICHING

    Edited by - iching on 14 March 2001 11:46:28

  • TR
    TR

    Iching,

    This is good enough to be a "cult" film! I love it!

    TR

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