Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

by Coded Logic 116 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Coded Logic
    Coded Logic

    Chris Tann,

    In your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that Genesis and science were somehow compatible . However, the truth is the two are NOT reconcilable at all. Here are some reasons why:

    1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

    Genesis 1:1 implies that the heavens (moon, sun, stars, planets, etc.) were made at, or around, the same time as the earth was made. This is not true in the slightest. The universe is roughly 13.6 billion years old - while the earth is only about 4.5 billion years old. And the moon is much younger than that. Thus, "in the beginning” would take up a period of more than 9 billion years. Or, over two-thirds the age of the universe. Hardly "in the begining."

    1. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

    You say that earth was “formless” when it was the accretion disk around the Sun. The problem with this is there was no “surface of the deep” (oceans) and, also, the sun had already begun fusion - thus there would be light - not be darkness as Genesis claims. Also, there would also be light comming from other stars.

    1. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

    Here is a real nail in the coffin. According to Genesis God doesn’t create light until AFTER he’s created the earth. This is NOT compatible with cosmology. Light has been around for at least 13 billion years. Much older than the age of the earth.

    Some try to argue that light was not created on the first day but, rather, that light did not reach the surface of the earth until the first day. This, firstly, is NOT what the scriptures says. And even if the scripture did say that it would still be false. Light had been shining on the earth during all points of its formation. Genesis just plainly gets light wrong.

    1. And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

    There is no vault separating the waters from the waters. There are streams that flow in the Rockies high above the clouds and fog of the West Coast. There is ice at sea level, mountain level, and even higher up in stratiform clouds. Water vapor exists throughout our entire atmosphere and also exists deep under the oceans near hydrothermal vents. There is no vault separating the waters from the waters - water exists in many forms at every level.

    1. And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

    There is not just "dry land" and "gathered waters." There are also tidal pools, marsh lands, and deltas.

    1. Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

    Genesis has vegetation created BEFORE the sun. This is a HUGE problem. It’s also says that plants were created at the same time as fruit trees. Land plants have been around for over five-hundred-million years. Fruit trees have been around for less than sixty-million years - an overlap of five-hundred and forty million years.

    1. And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

    How exactly do plants and trees grow for five-hundred and forty million years without the sun? And the sun is much younger than most the stars we see in the sky. Not the same age. And certainly not younger than the earth and plants and trees. Also the moon, unlike the sun, is not a light. It’s a reflector. Genesis just gets it wrong on every single level here.

    1. And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

    Genesis has flying animals created before land animals. This is completely backwards. Flying insects, birds, bats, and pterosaurs all evolved from creatures that lived on the land.

    1. Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

    Humans are omnivores. Not herbivores.

    1. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.

    Once again Genesis says there are only herbivores. This is not true. There is a huge variety of omnivores and carnivores.

    I could go on and on, but I think I've more than demonstrated that Genesis is not compatible with Cosmology, Geology, Stratigraphy, and just about every single one of the Life Sciences. As such, creationist should be quick to dismiss Genesis.

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Oh ye of little faith!

    You forget the power of magic errrrr I mean holy spirit.

  • Simon
    Simon

    How did plants and trees pollenate without birds and insects? Many have a symbiotic dependency.

    Genesis is a worse origin story than batman.

  • Juan Viejo2
    Juan Viejo2

    Good one, Coded...

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Truly, I am 100% with you on this, but I also know (and I suspect you do too) that Creationists explain away the problems, even if they use nonsense.

    "In the beginning" would have no time reference. It would simply be in the time before "we" existed- that "we" could be the people of that land or any people at all as the case turns out to be in Genesis.

    And they scoff at scientific ages for the most part, many suggesting the young earth and possibly a young universe. "it's just a theory" they say.

    As far as there being no vault separating the waters from the waters, fundamentalists and JW's (I know, redundant) would say that things were different back then and the flood changed it all.

    I could go on and on. And sometimes I do. It's just that many creationists prefer to go through life with their head stuck in the sand.

  • Coded Logic
    Coded Logic

    I used to be a creationist. I'm glad someone took the time to help reason things out for me. Just paying it forward. It only takes one Bible scripture to be debunked for the house of cards to come crashing down.

  • prologos
    prologos

    coded logic, explain to us why you think there could not be a creator?--

    simon: the greatest pleasurable* urge in life is to procreate. from the moment out of the gate, life has found ways to procreate, evolution depends on it, and primitive plants found primitive ways, even sex-less. a better idea is sex, with fruits embellishing it. I am drinking my evening glass of wine, eating delicious sweet apples, all sex embellishments. so: sex is build into the evolutionary process. still evolving. keep tuned.

    *breathing might take priority over sex, , but nor eating.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Thank you for the Thread C.L, it was reading posts like yours just a few years ago that really helped me to open my eyes, or in truth, my mind.

    As I pointed out on another Thread, if Genesis is not literal truth, which of course it is not, then the whole House of Cards that is Christian Theology, falls down.

  • designs
    designs

    Pope Francis addressed the problem of JWs, Evangelicals and Fundamentalists- 'God does not have a magic wand'...

  • jookbeard
    jookbeard

    thanks CL, laid out very nicely, saved.

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