Take Responsibility For Your Thrownness (page 4)

COMF

I find much to agree with in your initial post of this thread.

We cannot blame others for the decisions that we make in our field of being.

Absolutely.

We are free rational substances with a high degree of autonomy.

When it comes down to it, yes, although circumstances must be considered. A man with a gun to his head does have the choice whether to hand over his wallet or not, but...

We rational substances possess volitional freedom and the ability to experience individuation.

See above.

Do not blame the Society for the decisions you make.

I don't. I blame the society for its falsehood and for misleading millions to waste their lives. Their decisions are their own, but if they act because of believing a deception, the deceiver is accountable.

I'm a steady advocate of freedom of choice, and agree with you. It is only in the application that we differ. You are choosing to be blind. I choose to see.

COMF

LDH

Ummmm Francois,

Thank you for noticing that THROWNESS isn't even a damn word.

Simon has asked me us to refrain from calling people Trolls.

Therefore, I now dub thee "Flame Bait."

Lisa

Bang

Hey, nontri

Response-ability: that's what they're doing.
Why - people such as yourself knocked on their door and told lies.
Blame rests with you. The response-ability is theirs.

Try some response-ability for your throne-ness.

Men will render account for every word spoken.

Bang

SixofNine

If I recall correctly, this Dunscott fellow has an incredible recall of philosophical jargon, and yet is dumb as dirt.

tdogg

MMMM. You speke many big word. You so smart. Me just dumb old ex dub what never went to coleje so I dot no what your talking about. Somethin bout quid hominims and such. I like freedom too thats why I wear boxers stead a breefs.

So many big words saying nothing at all. I wonder how one who pretends to be so intelligent can fail to see the truth right in front of his/her nose. Something about a forest and the trees...

graceabounds

tdogg:
I think this one got hit with a tree.

non: "Thrownness"?
Is this another word from the world of make-believe...."Witnessland"?

So, you still didn't answer alot of questions.....like....
1) How many books have you read(religious books) that have not
been written by the WT? If you feel that you are free to do
so....may I suggest that you start with "Twisted Scriptures"
by Mary Alice Chrnalogar.

2) How free do you feel....time-wise? You make a lot of meetings,
do alot of field service? Does it feel like you have no life
beyond these thngs? It's because you don't.

3) How do you feel about Smurfs? Garage sales, and bringing those
items home? Girl Scout cookies?
Are any of these things mentioned, specifically, in the Bible?
As sins? Did God ever say....thou shalt worship no Smurf
before me? Or, thou shalt not eat of the tree of the Girl
Scout cookie....? You get the point????
Or, could this be superstition from unsuperstitious JW's?

4) How old were you in 1975?
I was 9. I was not a Witness, not even studying with them.
But, I had a friend who was. He was the same age as me. I
wonder now, if, when all the predictions started about the
"last days"....that this poor, sweet, little boy didn't have
nightmares every night....wondering if he would make it.
That is being thrown into something....a bunch of shit.
Anyway...
As for 1975, and 1925, and 1914, and whatever the other dates
were....we're still here.
And, the WT is still making predictions, to scare everyone into
loyality.

5) Which brings me to my final question... you said that "fear was
not the ONLY thing that kept you with the Witnesses".
My question:
Why would a God of love want you to be afraid of him?
Let me answer that for you.
Because it isn't God that wants you to be afraid...it's the
guys at the top, who want to see you out there making other
Dubs. Peddling magazines. They don't care if you believe,
just don't cause trouble.

I believe in the God that I have always believed in....one that is kind, forgiving, and that gave his son for us. Not a God who will punish me for having a smurf collection.
Although I never stopped believing in God...I did feel that he
might take his anger out on me...for leaving. My daughter asked
me(she is 7)..."If Jesus comes back, will he destroy us?"....
I wanted her to feel close to God....and the WT almost drove her away
for good.

non....open your mind, or, at the very least....get a dictionary.

graceabounds

Farkel

Non,

: No it was not clearly framed. You asked about freedom of speech. Your question had nothing to do with the topic at hand. Non was dicsussing existential or volitional freedom.

I thought YOU were non. Getting your screen identities confused again?

"Accuracy" or whoever you are,

"Non" has not used any "logic," you dimwit. He's made assertions and that's all. You show your own ignorance by not even understanding the meaning of logic and what it involves.

Farkel

deddaisy

if you knew anything at all about Sartre and Existentialism,
you'd know that Sartre, who was an Existentialist, did in deed practice the belief that one is responsible for one's
own life
with COMPLETE DENIAL
of any GOD
or HEAVEN, OR HELL,
or PARADISE EARTH...........
existentialists hold that
this life is IT.
NO GOD, NO AFTER LIFE,

They believe in
NOTHINGNESS AFTER THIS LIFE.......
that is why they hold that you are responsible for your own life and freedom, because

there is no GOD to save you.......

deddaisy

farkel's right, you're reeeeeeeeally getting sloppy there bud........

ooooh, could it be, once again, that "non-trias-theos" is "dos?"

SYN

Yes, LDH, the official term is now "FLAME BAIT". Thank God for Usenet, it gives us alternative terms for the T word!

So, FLAME BAIT, why don't you answer Farkel's questions properly?

You say that a husband shouldn't be a dictator. Your "religion" says he MUST! Here is the definition of "dictator" from dictionary.com:

dic·ta·tor Pronunciation Key (dkttr, dk-t-)
n.

An absolute ruler.
A tyrant; a despot.

Since the authority of the Bible is absolute, and the Bible gives us the hierarchy ("Jehovah"->Jesus->Husband->Wife), and since the wife may not (well, in the Watchtower at least) question the relationship if she wants to stay in the religion, the rule of her husband IS effectively absolute - this is why her husband IS a dictator. You fool. This is one of the bigger lies taught by the WTBTS, that women are inferior to men ("weaker vessels", grraaaa!), and something that cannot be proven unless you are a chauvinist. Incidentally, the entire Governing Body is composed of super-chauvinists, so this is not surprising. I'm entirely certain that you'll never have to experience the degradation and humiliation of being a woman in the BORG, purely because I am by now convinced you are male, because of the way you speak about woman.

And, until your "religion" stops condoning wholesale, crass chauvinism that hails from the time before Christ supposedly died for our sins, I will be absolutely incapable of taking it or any of it's followers seriously.

Cope.

"Vaccination has never saved a human life. It does not prevent smallpox." The Golden Age, Feb 4 1931 p. 293-4 - The Sacredness of Human Blood (Reasons why vaccination is unscriptural)

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