Jesus was a false prophet? (page 4)

ablebodiedman

When did the Apostles realize that a new "holy place" was being rebuilt?

Did the realization happen while the old City of Jerusalem and it's abandoned temple were still standing?

Acts 15:13-18

　After they quit speaking, James answered, saying: "Men, brothers, hear me. 14 　Sym´e·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name. 15 　And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, 16 　‘After these things I shall return and rebuild the booth of David that is fallen down; and I shall rebuild its ruins and erect it again, 17 　in order that those who remain of the men may earnestly seek Jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says Jehovah, who is doing these things, 18 　known from of old.’

The word had just recently gone forth to rebuild Jerusalem and the Apostles realized that it was starting to be re-built in the 1st Century! (see Ephesians 2:19-22 quoted above)

So when does the Messiah return?

Daniel 9:25

　And you should know and have the insight [that] from the going forth of [the] word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem until Mes·si´ah [the] Leader, there will be seven weeks, also sixty-two weeks. She will return and be actually rebuilt, with a public square and moat, but in the straits of the times.

abe

ablebodiedman

Which sanctuary ("holy place") did Jesus Christ establish and has it been thrown down yet?

Daniel 8:11

　And all the way to the Prince of the army it put on great airs, and from him the constant [feature] was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down.

Hebrews 10:19-20

Therefore, brothers, since we have boldness for the way of entry into the holy place by the blood of Jesus, 20 　which he inaugurated (established) for us as a new and living way through the curtain, that is, his flesh,

abe

ablebodiedman

What is the "one thing" that Christians should have known and yet from the comments in this thread it still continues to elude them?

Matthew 24:43

　"But know one thing, that if the householder had known in what watch the thief was coming, he would have kept awake and not allowed his house to be broken into.

abe

sarahsmile

Maybe because the rebuilding of Jersualem in 1 CE was by King Herod.

It has not been built yet. Prophecy still needs to happen! Read Ezekiel. Herods temple does not match Ezekiels temple.

Christain understand that no one knows the day or hour.

Crazyguy

The temple of Solomon is an exact replica of the one at Arin Dara, why would the god of the universe have his people build one just like that of a pagan god unless the pagan god and the Israelite god are one in the same. Oops can anyone say EL.....god of the Canaanites god of Ugarit and Byblos and Ebla..

kaik

Jews do not believe that Jesus was messiah and his NT testimony does not matches what they were expecting. Additionally, many of you are hooked upon Roman destruction of Temple in 70AD, but during III Jewish uprising, which happened 45 years later, Jews were expelled and banned from Jerusalem by Imperial decree. Temple was looted out and many Jews were enslaved, but their faith was still accepted by Roman government through entire Empire. 2/3 of Jews lived outside Judea and had no whatsoever any ties to the II Jewish war and fall of their ancestral homeland in 70AD. There were more Jews in Alexandria than in Jerusalem. Judea was primitive, impoverished empire on the edge of civilization in comparison to core provinces like Egypt and Magna Grecia. When III Jewish revolt occurred, Jews were persecuted throughout entire Roman Empire. OT and all Jewish texts were outlawed. Jews were allowed back to Jerusalem 250 years later by Emperor Julian Apostate. Anyone who lived thorugh depopulation of Jerusalem in 115-135 was not contemporary of Jesus.

BackseatDevil

Also, Jesus was a JEWISH prophet who spoke like the JEWISH prophets of old. So there isn't a lot of difference between Jesus and those that came before him who preached destruction during the time of the prophets.

The fact that LATER, elements were (somewhat randomly) applied to his teachings different than those found in the Tanakh or the writings of the prophets had more to do with Jesus' popularity and mobility in garnering a following than anything he was teaching.

His actual teachings that HE taught in HIS lifetime were not all that special. End of Days ideology goes back some 500 years B.C. with local religions in what is now modern-day Iran (and we see how well THAT has worked out for them). Writers who wrote about Moses/Abraham took this concept, and those who wrote about Jesus expanded on it, even though Jesus himself did not.

Viviane

Actually the prophecy came true just as Jesus predicted

Which specific prophecy came true exactly as he said?

Viviane

His actual teachings that HE taught in HIS lifetime were not all that special. End of Days ideology goes back some 500 years B.C. with local religions in what is now modern-day Iran (and we see how well THAT has worked out for them). Writers who wrote about Moses/Abraham took this concept, and those who wrote about Jesus expanded on it, even though Jesus himself did not.

I read Zealot a few months ago and am now reading How Jesus Became God. Both authors touch on what Jesus' message really was as you mentioned, what it was likely that he said and what was likely layered on by later followers.

From How Jesus Became God:

"The beginning was apocalyptic and the end was apocalyptic. How could the middle not be? If only the beginning were apocalyptic, one could argue that Jesus shifted away from John the Baptist’s apocalyptic message— which is why his followers did not subscribe to an apocalyptic view. But they did subscribe to such a view, so that doesn’t work. Or if only the end were apocalyptic, one could argue that Jesus himself did not hold such views but that his followers came to subscribe to them afterward, and so they read their views back onto his life. But in fact the beginning of Jesus’s ministry was heavily apocalyptic, so that doesn’t work either. Since Jesus associated with the Baptist at the beginning of his ministry and since apocalyptic communities sprang up in the wake of his ministry, the ministry itself must have been characterized by an apocalyptic proclamation of the imminent arrival of the Son of Man, who would judge the earth and bring in God’s good kingdom."

Ehrman, Bart D. (2014-03-25). How Jesus Became God: The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee (pp. 111-112). HarperCollins. Kindle Edition.

BackseatDevil

I've been meaning to read Zealot. Maybe after I finish a book about Salman Rushdie's The Satanic Verses and an old Stephen King novel I've been meaning to read... lol.

I'm diverse.

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