QFR August 15, 2014 - Resurrection and Marriage

by wisdomfrombelow 69 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • BU2B
    BU2B

    And what assurance do JWs have that this teaching wont reverse back to the prior "understanding" in 10 or 15 years just like they did with generation, organ transplants, superioir athorities etc. What confidence can they have that it is true?

    Also what about all of those who remarried after that 1987 article told them they could? Wont they be upset now that it seems like they could have waited and been reunited after all if they had remained single?

    The simple fact is that the Bible nowhere speaks of an earthly ressurection at all, and thats why all of this confusion exists. ANYTHING that speaks of a ressurection in the bible is speaking of heaven.

  • fastJehu
    fastJehu

    @ splash

    Here the list with 2 more points (thanks for your work with this list):

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    RESURRECTED ONES CAN MARRY?

    YES - 1943 “The Truth Shall Make You Free” p.362 - 364
    [Evil ones] will not come forth [in the resurrection] to take part in the divine mandate [filing the earth], because that will have been completed by the Lord's "other sheep".

    NO - w50 10/15 p. 381 “Be Fruitful, Multiply, Fill the Earth”
    Nor will the resurrected multitudes be privileged to do so, for Jesus plainly stated that such will not marry nor be given in marriage

    Even survivors won't marry - w54 9/15 p. 575 Questions From Readers
    After that final test there will definitely be no marrying or being given in marriage then by those counted worthy of the new world and having the right to eternal life, just as angels have that right

    YES - w54 9/15 p. 575 Questions From Readers
    It is even reasonable and allowable to entertain the comforting thought that those of the other sheep who now die faithful will have an early resurrection and live during the time when the procreation mandate is being fulfilled and when paradise conditions are being spread earth-wide and that they will share in this divinely given service.

    NO - w61 11/15 p. 704 Questions From Readers
    for dead ones with spiritual, heavenly hopes and for dead ones with earthly Paradisaic hopes the rule enunciated by Jesus Christ stands unaltered: “In the resurrection neither do men marry nor are women given in marriage

    NO - w67 10/15 p. 638 Questions From Readers
    Jesus’ words apply to the earthly resurrection, and they indicate that those resurrected will not marry or be reunited in a marriage relationship with former mates.

    NO - w87 6/1 page 30 Questions From Readers
    So if a Christian finds it hard to accept the conclusion that resurrected ones will not marry, he can be sure that God and Christ are understanding.

    NO - g99 10/8 p. 11 Crossword Puzzle
    8. Jesus said that resurrected ones will not do this (Luke 20:35)
    8. MARRY

    YES / MAYBE - w14 8/1 page 29+30, questions from readers
    "Could Jesus be referring only to the heavenly resurrection?" "It is possible"

  • BU2B
    BU2B

    What about the only other alleged NT refrence to an earthly paradise the WT uses to prop up this particle board doctrine. When he told the criminal next to him that you will be with me in paradise. To me in context it is obvious that if you are unbiased you will see he is talking about heaven. That should be changed next, leaving the only tenuous link to an earthly paradise the Isaiah Jewish restoration prophecies.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    This could be an awesome hope. Without the burden of marriage, perfect men will be able to eventually have sex with all the perfect women. Nothing like the "flavor of the week."

  • steve2
    steve2

    I had wrongly assumed "new light" was about the deeper things of God's Word - not about things no man had the right to speculate over in the first place. Hey, brothers, the light ain't getting brighter, but I'm getting headaches from the way you keep flicking it off and on.

  • XBEHERE
    XBEHERE

    That article, as well as others in the past still havent addressed the wording of Luke 20:34-36. I have always wondered, if they are supposed to be "like angels" then what about those horny angels during noah's time?

    So these ressurected ones will still have urges and desires for sexual satisfaction just as those angels did right?

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    One more reference to the former belief.

    INSIGHT BOOK vol 2 p344
    Marriage and the Resurrection. A group of Jesus’ opponents who did not believe in the resurrection asked Jesus a question that was calculated to embarrass him. In answering them, he revealed that “those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage.”—Lu 20:34, 35; Mt 22:30.

    Believe me, this article is huge among the dubs that I know....... Some are trying to shrug it off , others are thunderstruck. They seem divided into two camps, 1) those who say " I always thought so " and 2) those who see Jesus' words as clearly talking about the earthly ones and wonder where the G B is coming from? I have witnessed two of them argueing about it already....It is now taken as a given that ress. ones will marry - but to who?

    The widow who is still single may look forward to re marrying him, but will he want to tie the knot again? If not how can there be "no more tears or sorrow?"

    Since they now expect the lumpen mass of mankind to come back still sinfull , will they marry and produce children of unbelievers?

    It does not answer the Saducees question about multiple marriages. Can you imagine two men fighting over their ex wife?

    Finally, there must be engaged couples among the Dubs who are widows.. will it cause them to change their plans? How many second times married now regret the decision to re marry.....that was based on what the WT had told them !

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    WT 2014 08/15 QFR

    "Jesus told the Sadducees that resurrected ones “neither marry nor are given in marriage.” (Luke 20:34-36) Was he talking about the earthly resurrection?
    The question is an important one, especially for those who have lost a beloved mate. Such ones may yearn to be reunited in marriage with their resurrected spouse in the new world. One widower said: “My wife and I did not choose to end our marriage. It was our heartfelt desire to remain united in worship as husband and wife forever. These feelings have not changed for me.” Is there sound reason for hoping that resurrected ones will be able to marry? Put simply, the answer is that we cannot say.

    For years, our publications have said that Jesus’ words about the resurrection and getting married likely refer to the earthly resurrection and that those resurrected to life in the new world will evidently not marry. * (Matt. 22:29, 30; Mark 12:24, 25; Luke 20:34-36) While we cannot be dogmatic, is it possible that Jesus’ words refer to the heavenly resurrection? Let us examine what Jesus said.

    Consider the setting. (Read Luke 20:27-33.) The Sadducees, who did not believe in the resurrection, tried to entrap Jesus with a question about the resurrection and brother-in-law marriage. * Jesus responded: “The children of this system of things marry and are given in marriage, but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage. In fact, neither can they die anymore, for they are like the angels, and they are God’s children by being children of the resurrection.”—Luke 20:34-36.

    Why have our publications said that Jesus was probably talking about the earthly resurrection? That conclusion is primarily based on two lines of reasoning. First, it is reasoned that the Sadducees likely had in mind an earthly resurrection and that Jesus would have answered them accordingly. Second, Jesus ended his reply by referring to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—faithful patriarchs who are in line to be resurrected to life on earth.—Luke 20:37, 38.
    However, it seems possible that Jesus had in mind the heavenly resurrection. On what basis might we reach that conclusion? Let us consider two key phrases.

    “Those who have been counted worthy of gaining . . . the resurrection from the dead.” Faithful anointed ones are “counted worthy of the Kingdom of God.” (2 Thess. 1:5, 11) They have been declared righteous for life on the basis of the ransom; thus, they do not die as condemned sinners. (Rom. 5:1, 18; 8:1) Such ones are called “happy and holy” and are deemed worthy of a resurrection to heaven. (Rev. 20:5, 6) In contrast, those who are resurrected to life on earth will include “the unrighteous.” (Acts 24:15) Can it be said of them that they are “counted worthy” of a resurrection?

    “Neither can they die anymore.” Jesus did not say: “They will not die anymore.” Rather, he said: “Neither can they die anymore.” Other translations render that phrase “they are not subject to death any longer” and “death has no more power over them.” Anointed ones who finish their earthly course in faithfulness are raised to heaven and given immortality—endless, indestructible life. (1 Cor. 15:53, 54) Death no longer has any power over those who receive a heavenly resurrection. *

    In view of the foregoing, what might we conclude? It is possible that Jesus’ words about marrying and the resurrection apply to the heavenly resurrection. If so, then his words would tell us several things about those raised to heavenly life: They do not marry, they cannot die, and they are in some respects like angels—spirit creatures who inhabit the spirit realm. Such a conclusion, however, raises several questions.

    First, why would Jesus refer to the heavenly resurrection when answering the Sadducees, who probably had in mind an earthly resurrection? Jesus did not always answer his opposers in accord with what they were thinking. For example, to Jews who demanded a sign from him, he said: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Jesus likely knew that they were thinking about the temple building, “but he was talking about the temple of his body.” (John 2:18-21) Perhaps Jesus felt no need to answer the insincere Sadducees, who did not believe in the resurrection or in the existence of angels. (Prov. 23:9; Matt. 7:6; Acts 23:8) Instead, he may have wanted to reveal truths about the heavenly resurrection for the benefit of his sincere disciples, who would one day be in line for receiving such a resurrection.

    Second, why would Jesus end his discussion with a reference to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who will be resurrected to life on earth? (Read Matthew 22:31, 32.) Note that Jesus prefaced his comment about those patriarchs with the words “regarding the resurrection of the dead.” That transitional phrase may allow for a shift in focus. Then, drawing from the writings of Moses, which the Sadducees claimed to accept, Jesus used the words of Jehovah to Moses at the burning bush to give added proof that the resurrection—an earthly one—is a sure purpose of God.—Ex. 3:1-6.
    Third, if Jesus’ words about the resurrection and getting married apply to the heavenly resurrection, does this mean that those who come back in the earthly resurrection will be able to marry? God’s Word does not give a direct answer to that specific question. If Jesus was, in fact, talking about the heavenly resurrection, then his words do not shed any light on whether resurrected ones on earth will be able to marry in the new world.

    Meanwhile, we know that God’s Word definitely says that death dissolves the marriage tie. Hence, a widower or a widow need not feel guilty if he or she decides to remarry. That is a personal decision, and such ones should not be criticized for seeking the warm companionship of a marriage mate.—Rom. 7:2, 3; 1 Cor. 7:39.

    Understandably, we may have many questions about life in the new world. Rather than needlessly speculating on the answers to those questions , we will just have to wait and see. But of this we can be sure: Obedient humans will be happy, for Jehovah will satisfy all their needs and desires in the best possible way.—Ps. 145:16.

  • disposable hero of hypocrisy
    disposable hero of hypocrisy

    "rather than needlessly speculating"??? Waaaaat? What the hell has that WHOLE ARTICLE been doing?

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    Ya' just gotta' love this article. It's so chock full of classic WT Weasel Phrases:

    • For years, our publications have said …
    • While we cannot be dogmatic, is it possible that Jesus’ words refer to ….
    • Why have our publications said …?
    • However, it seems possible …
    • On what basis might we reach that conclusion?
    • In view of the foregoing, what might we conclude? It is possible …
    • Understandably, we may have many questions about …
    • Rather than needlessly speculating on the answers to those questions , we will just have to wait and see.

    Notice that the above phrases could be and have been used to soften any and all doctrinal changes.

    And yet, notice how they conclude this weasely article:

    • But of this we can be sure: Obedient humans will be happy, for Jehovah will satisfy all their needs and desires in the best possible way.—Ps. 145:16.

    So, even though we've been wrong about this--and (for those of you that have been paying attention) a century's worth of other teachings/doctrines/practices/beliefs--there is one thing you must absolutely do:

    Listen, Obey and Be Blessed - It's a cult!

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