Evidence of Jesus being Married?

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  • cantleave
    cantleave

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/jesus-wife-fragment-is-not-a-fake-scientists-claim-9253395.html

    A Harvard professor is claiming a fragment of papyrus seemingly mentioning that Jesus had a wife is an ancient document and not a forgery, following a series of tests.

    The text is written in Coptic and contains a dialogue in which Jesus refers to "my wife."

    Karen King, a professor at the Harvard Divinity School, writes in the Harvard Theological Review that the papyrus is almost certainly a product of ancient Christians and probably dates to eighth-century Egypt, based on carbon dating and chemical tests on the ink.

    None of the testing has produced any evidence that the fragment is a modern fabrication or forgery, Prof King and her team concluded.

    The fragment, which has some legible lines on the front and on the back, contains the words: “Jesus said to them, ‘My wife …. She will also be my disciple.”

    James Yardley from Columbia University, and Alexis Hagadorn from Columbia University Libraries, used a technique called micro-Raman spectroscopy to determine that the carbon character of the ink matched samples of other papyri that date from the first to eighth centuries CE.

    Malcolm Choat from Macquarie University examined the fragment at HDS and offered an independent assessment of the handwriting.

    Prof King first announced the existence of the fragment in September 2012, at the International Coptic Congress in Rome, where she dubbed it "The Gospel of Jesus's Wife."

    The use of the word "gospel" refers to the fragment's most distinctive claim that Jesus was married.

    Her announcement caused controversy among Christians and religious scholars, many of whom believe the document may be a forgery because of the poor grammar, shape of the handwriting and the ink's colour and quality.

    The Vatican newspaper also released an editorial after the announcement declaring it a fake.

    However, Prof King has stressed the text does not prove Jesus actually had a wife, but suggests ancient Christians wrote about this possibility.

    "The main topic of the fragment is to affirm that women who are mothers and wives can be disciples of Jesus—a topic that was hotly debated in early Christianity as celibate virginity increasingly became highly valued," Prof King said.

    "This gospel fragment provides a reason to reconsider what we thought we knew by asking what the role claims of Jesus's marital status played historically in early Christian controversies over marriage, celibacy, and family."

    But Brown University Professor Leo Depuydt, in an analysis also published Thursday by the Harvard Theological Review, remains unconvinced and argues the text contains grammatical errors that a native Coptic speaker would not make.

  • Domi
    Domi

    "Brown University Professor Leo Depuydt, in an analysis also published Thursday by the Harvard Theological Review, remains unconvinced and argues the text contains grammatical errors that a native Coptic speaker would not make."

    I'm sure many people wrote things about Jesus when he was here, just like they write things today. Look at all the junk on the wed that is not true. Go ahead those who do not believe the Bible...keep reaching for every straw to support your anti-God theories.

  • punkofnice
    punkofnice

    How easily you are decieved by Satan. Repent sinner...armageddon(TM) is just around the corner

    Let's see how believers answer this one....be interesting.

  • BU2B
    BU2B

    Jesus was perfect. Perfect people dont let sinful, fleshly things control them.. Satan must have planted the papyrus to decieve true christians in these last days.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I read this last night in the NYT. Karen King did not follow academic channels. She is not stating that Jesus was married. It is only a fragment. The Church as Christ's bride (Jesus is my boyfriend) could be mentioned. There are many things the "wife" could mean. Some scholars are still not satisfied b/c the grammar is bad. I am glad if people question their assumptions. Perhaps there are earlier gospels, sayings, and theological letters waiting to be discovered. It is amazing that nothing existed and now, we know so much more.

    Harvard is going to place King's article online so the general public can read it. Maybe you have to go to Harvard Divinity.

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    Go ahead those who do not believe the Bible...keep reaching for every straw to support your anti-God theories.

    This has nothing to do with beleiving or not. You don't have to make everything about trying to convince everyone invisible sky people are real.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    It is dated at circa 8th Century, I really think it is of little interest to N.T scholars, or to believers. It was probably written by a mischievous Egyptian schoolchild, hence the bad spelling.

    Kids love doing that sort of thing, like the Cottingley Fairies

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    I remain unconvinced that the Jesus of the bible is anything more than a composite of characters projected onto a someone who may have once existed.

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    It makes more sense that Jesus was married, rather than not.

    His being single fits the later narrative projected onto him of being chaste, perfect and living only to die by martrydom.

  • confusedandalone
    confusedandalone

    " It is dated at circa 8th Century,"

    Isn't that older than most copies of the bible?

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