Reasons why we hate JW's (as an org)
Neyank.....Thanks a million. Glad to know It was useful info XX
Worf! we were not allowed to eat Baloney -It had to be WAX balony ( no blood in it- also some weiners were off limit- ( you said they didnt restrict food) Allso in our congregation we were told Dairy Queen ice cream had blood in it- i found out years later a brother had a fat wife- & didnt want her eating them so started the rumor- yep! I fell for it DAH!
I knew I could have been mistaken about that. :)
I've got an answer for you Xenu. First off, if you went into a KH spouting all that mess you would most probably escorted out and asked not to return. If only we were capable of that! BTW, when it comes to things JW I don't have an open mind at all. I think this thread was to perhaps explore some of the reasons why, not so you could hijack it with a bunch of senseless drivel. You ever ask yourself why JWs never openly debate or even discuss problems within the org? One of the big things I always hated BTW. It certainly isn't because the people in charge have a mind open to change, or new light as it were. It is, however, largely because they live in a fantasy world, not of logic, reason, or even deep seated spiritual conviction. If in fact the WT were the true voice of god, would they or would they not place themselves under much scrutiny? But wait! I forgot that disagreeing only makes you the bigger apostate and unworthy of their time.
Some other things I hate/hated....
JWs disregard for a real education
Forcing children and young adults into blindly following harsh religious principles, being baptised, and proselityzing on behalf of a bunch of old white guys from Bethel.
I could go on, but I'll probably just get "blessed" by elohim again...
You last post about reasoning with people beyond reasoning and conditioning of the mind is so true. I am a never-been JW and in dealing with one, you really hit it on the spot.
Do you remember the rumour floating around about lecithin and it being in chocolate bars and it was really a blood product? That little bit of JW "fact" made the rounds for years and it seemed everyone fell for it.I remember my Mom rubbernecking all the wrappers on all the candy bars we ate and telling us how she heard it was really a blood byproduct... demonized snickers bar?
As far as what Xenu has tried to do on this forum in the past few weeks I have been sitting back and enjoying the show. He has tried to introduce many different theories, some based on the Kabbalah which are ancient Hebrew writings that are followed by those known as Kabbalist. Depending on which translation he is trying to follow and which group of Kabbalist he aspires to he has done a very poor job at scratch the surface of the various kabbalist teachings and theories.
He has also introduced philosophy and theory partly from Freemasonry, cosmology, numerology and the one big bright and shinny load of cult propaganda is direct from the church of Scientology.
He gave two outstanding clues to his hidden agenda and the first one was his little game of posting The Drake Equation. In the Drake Equation Dr. Frank D. Drake uses the variables of N = N* fp ne fl fi fc fL. What this breaks down to is a numeric formula to try and come up with the mathematical probability of intelligent life on other planets within our own galaxy. I will not go into the full explanation of what it all means unless someone really wants to read it. It isn't long or very hard to comprehend.
Drakes Equation is something the Scientologists use to try and prove the incredibly outrageous theory of their cult founder L. Ron Hubbard. Now I would like to point out the main comment that pointed out Xenu's tie with Scientology. In the many levels one must pass to become what is called and "auditor" tireless hypnotic brain washing classes called "sessions" are given to an individual to clear their mind of all reality as they know it. At this point you are known as "preclear". This type of brain washing is first accomplished by those who have either read Hubbards book of fairy tails titled "Dianetics" or was conned by a one time friend into taking what is called "a personality test" using a devise they call an e-meter. Not to go into a long drawn out explanation of their brain washing technique what this all leads to is a person giving up thousands of dollars to go through these brain washing sessions but also giving up any connection to reality that they may have had. This is an absolute precursor to the brain washing technique of any cult or organization.
Here is the post that gave the absolute clue to Xenu's belief system. This is what you are handed in an envelope behind a locked door for you to put into a brief case with a lock and dog leash to tie to your wrist. Even though Xenu did not give the full explanation of this absurd theory he did hit on it's main points. Here is his post:
<<<75 million years ago, Xenu, the overlord of 76 planets, rounded up most of the people of his empire - some 178 billion per planet - and brought them to Earth. Here they were exploded in volcanoes using hydrogen bombs and the spirits or thetans collected on "electronic ribbons". Disorientated from the massacre, the disembodied thetans were subjected to some 36 days of hypnotic "implanting" and clustered together. From seven indwelling spirits per person estimates have gone into the thousands. The "implants" supposedly contained the blueprint for future civilizations, including the Christian teaching, 75 million years before Christ. Operating Thetan level three has to be kept secret because the unprepared will die within two days of discovering its contents.>>>
This is the big secret behind Scientology and this is what many unsuspecting people are left with once they pay thousands of dollars and have had their once reasonable and logical mind "cleared."
It is the job of every Scientologists to go out and find as many people to "clear" before we supposedly reach the point of nuclear war. A prophecy that Hubbard proclaimed would happen in the early 70's but as we all see just as the JW prophecy of Armageddon during the same time period did not happen.
Hubbard is no different from Russell, they were both crack pots that used brain washing techniques to gain faithful followers to their cults. Xenu is just using this forum to spread the Scientology propaganda and is using all of us as his personal ginny pigs to slowly post tiny bits of his Scientology poison at a time in a lame attempt to "clear" us all. What he doesn't know is we have all heard this before, different characters, same story, it's all mind controlling bullshit.
If anyone who wants to read a story from an ex Scientologists who is considered be what we would understand to be the JW equal to an Apostate I will try to find here story on line and post the link. It is a very interesting read. Let me know if anyone is interested and I will try and find the link.
Xenu, your busted so just leave quietly, we do not need any of your cult bullshit here!
Dave......LOLOLOL-It's no wonder Hollywood eats this shit. All of the best brain-dead actors love it.
I mean, unless our bullshit meters were broken there's no way we'd go for this stooge, but the heads up on this Xenu 2nd rate sci-fi is appreciated....LOLOL
No problem Ashi, I had fun looking through my old files. There is actually a special Scientology office specifically for Hollywood actors in LA to come to. They are using celebrity endorsements to try and sell this crap. John Travolta even did a movie based on Hubbard's book "Battlefield Earth" which is another one of his crack pot theories. As we all know, Actors would never lie about anything. Johnny boy is a very well known Scientologist.
I dug through my archives and found this exert from the ex Scientologists Margery Wakefield's book "The Road to Xenu" where she talks about her last level of programing where the story of Xenu is revealed to her. You will see that it matches the post from Xenu and his nut ball explanation.
It may be difficult to understand why approximately 40,000 people in this country and 60,000 people overseas would willingly subject themselves to such insane procedures. The only explanation I can offer is that it is quite possible to hypnotize a person to believe anything, or to perform any action, no matter how ridiculous, without question. The cognitive function of the person's mind is completely disengaged. Can a person's mind be controlled? The answer is yes.
After finishing the Clearing Course I gave my Clear speech. Something to the effect that "I was happy to finally be At Cause in my life without the burden of the reactive mind that I have been carrying around for thousands of years." OT 1 consisted of one command. "Spot a person." I went to a local mall and spotted people for several hours until I came to a "cognition" and realized that I was different than any other person in the world. At which point I finished OT 1.
OT 2 was another bizarre level on which I had to audit some curious things. Including The Arrow, The Woman, The White Black Sphere, Hot Cold, Laughter-Calm, Dance Mob, and the Double Rod. I soon finished and attested to being an OT 2 Completion. I gave my success speech to cheers in the lobby of the AO.
Now I was ready for the great leap into the Unknown. I was ready for OT 3, on which I would learn the secret of the universe which had eluded Man for millions of years.
I had a friend, an older man named Les, who volunteered to come with me during my first day on OT 3 and coach me on the materials. We drove together to the AO.
"Nervous?" he asked, lighting a cigarette.
"Yeah, a little. I've only been waiting ten years to do this level," I answered.
"Well, just think, in another hour or so, you will know the great secret. You will be one of us." He winked at me.
At the AO, I first had to find the locked room where the materials for OT 3 were kept, a small closet just across from the OT 3 course-room. I knocked on the door. A slim Sea Org member unlocked the door to let me in, then quickly locked the door behind me. I had to unlock my briefcase and show him that it was empty. He then handed me a brown envelope containing the OT 3 materials. I locked this envelope in the briefcase which was leashed to my arm. He checked to make sure that the briefcase was actually locked. Then he let me out of that room, and locked the door behind me.
He escorted me across the hall and I knocked on the door of the OT 3 classroom. The door was unlocked to let me in, then locked again behind me. I am quite sure that not even the Pentagon has better security than Scientology.
Les was saving me a seat in the classroom. I sat down, unlocked my briefcase and pulled out the treasured envelope. Smiling at Les, I opened the envelope and pulled out several pages which were copies of pages handwritten by Hubbard. I began to read.
The head of the Galactic Federation (76 planets around larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago, very space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet, 178 billion on average) by mass implanting. He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-bomb on the principal volcanos (Incident II) and then the Pacific area ones were taken in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic ones to Las Palmas and there `packaged.'
His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means of circuits etc. was placed in the implants.
When through with his crime loyal officers (to the people) captured him after six years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap where he still is. `They' are gone. The place (Confederation) has since been a desert. The length and brutality of it all was such that this Confederation never recovered. The implant is calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it. This liability has been dispensed with by my tech development.
One can freewheel through the implant and die unless it is approached as precisely outlined. The `freewheel' (auto-running on and on) lasts too long, denies sleep etc. and one dies. So be careful to do only Incidents I and II as given and not plow around and fail to complete one thetan at a time.
In December 1967 I knew someone had to take the plunge. I did and emerged very knocked out, but alive. Probably the only one ever to do so in 75,000,000 years. I have all the data now, but only that given here is needful.
One's body is a mass of individual thetans stuck to oneself or to the body.
One has to clean them off by running Incident II and Incident I. It is a long job, requiring care, patience and good auditing. You are running beings. They respond like any preclear. Some large, some small.
Thetans believed they were one. This is the primary error. Good luck.
The remaining pages in the packet I had been given elaborated the detailed procedures to be used in auditing out one's "body thetans."
Break came, and I was feeling very perplexed as I followed Les out of the building.
"Well, what do you think?" he asked eagerly.
I was feeling very strange. I had been programmed under hypnosis for ten years to accept as gospel everything said or written by Hubbard. I had paid thousands of dollars to gain access to the privileged OT 3 material. I was programmed to believe. But the materials were too absurd to be believed. The result was that my mind, like a computer which has come upon data impossible to analyze, simply refused to compute. I felt as if my mind had been completely shut down. I had an eerie sensation of mental "floating," of being mentally suspended in time and space.
Hubbard had jammed my mind. And from that point I became a total pawn. Not able to think, I was a completely programmable stimulus-response machine. I had become a robot. Or, to use the phrase now popular among ex-Scientologists, a "Rondroid."
"I feel sort of strange," I said to Les. "I feel like I'm floating. And I'm not sure I understood what I just read."
"What didn't you understand?"
"Well, is he saying that because this guy Xenu, millions of years ago, blew up thousands of thetans and caused them to become clustered together, that now everyone on Earth is some kind of multiple personality? And that what we have to do now is audit all these other thetans stuck to us so that they can leave and go get their own bodies?"
"Exactly," Les looked at me proudly. "You understand it just fine. You see, everything in Scientology has been leading up to this level. The purpose of your lower grades was to erase some of the lighter charge from your mind. And Power enabled the dominant being in the "cluster" to separate out so that it you could audit the rest of the guys."
"You mean that everyone on the upper levels is just auditing to get rid of their `body thetans?'" I was still incredulous.
"Well, you have to do it to appreciate what it will do for you. You won't believe how good and clean you will feel after a few hours of OT 3." He put his arm around my shoulder.
"It kind of reminds me of a dog getting rid of its fleas," I remarked. "Somehow, it's just not what I had expected."
During the remaining days on the course, I learned how to locate and "run" my "body thetans." You had to close your eyes and locate a feeling of pressure somewhere on your body. Then telepathically audit the body thetan. You would first audit the thetan through Incident II, which was done by asking the thetan to visualize:
1. The area of the atomic explosion (Hawaii or Las Palmas).
2. The H-bomb dropped on the volcano.
3. The explosion.
4. Terrific winds.
5. The thetan carried over the peak of the volcano.
6. An electronic ribbon coming up.
7. The thetan sticking to the electronic ribbon.
8. The ribbon pulled down and the thetan implanted.
9. A picture of a pilot saying that he is "mocking it up."
10. Implant pictures, including God, devil, etc.
11. The thetan "cognites" and leaves.